> On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:41:09 +0100, Sealey, M. wibbled...
> 
> > Huh? I get 'unknown host www.thewibble.co.uk', confirmed downstairs
> > in networks.
> > It must be only accessible to other Freenetnames users :)
> 
> I just tested it; it works fine here, and I don't use Freenetname :)

Whoop! Got it. Looks like the packets were getting stuck just outside
Nottingham. Working now.

--
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

> Sealey, M. said, 
> 
> > (three catches though - they 'reserve the right' to 
> > disconnect you after 20 minutes of inactivity, they
> > 'reserver the right' to disconnect you after 2 hours
> > regardless, and you can only have 200 hours free calls
> > a year, otherwise they'll disable your account. All no
> > big deal :)
> 
> Those Terms only apply to the 0800 trial, and shouldn't have 
> been posted publicly. Everything is subject to change,
> particularly the time limits.

a) Who said I was talking about the full service?
b) Nowhere did it say "this is all secret words! No speaky!"


> >> There's an easier way, if you don't mind a slight delay when 
> 
> > I just have the 0800 in my Miami dial list, and move it up and down
> > on weekends or weekdays as appropriate.
> 
> Unless you forget to move it up on Saturday. Best to put it 
> at the top, but disabled, and enable it sometime on Friday.

I don't forget things like that, especially when money is involved :)

--
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Whoop! Got it. Looks like the packets were getting stuck just outside
> Nottingham. Working now.

err, they dont travel by the A1 you know...;-) what sort of connection
do you have up there at leicester uni...that they couldnt get to you via
another route?

alan

> just a thought, because I'm planning to get a BIG hd, but i'd need to
> install 3.0 first so I can use my CD drive to install 3.5 

It comes with a neat boot disk IIRC. And don't you mean `install 3.1
first`?

--
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

> On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > Whoop! Got it. Looks like the packets were getting stuck 
> > just outside Nottingham. Working now.
> 
> err, they dont travel by the A1 you know...;-) what sort of connection
> do you have up there at leicester uni...that they couldnt get 
> to you via another route?

A JaNET one, and one that gets routed to the big backbone thingy in
Nottingham before it goes ANYWHERE ELSE.

I did a tracert 20 minutes ago and it stuck at nott-pop.ja.net.

I did a tracert 2 minutes ago and it went through past
nott-pop.leeds.core.ja.net, through loads of routage, and into
wsdpro1-1.global.net.uk and into a wonderfully unoriginally
named server called serv-farm.freenetname.co.uk

Obviously they were messing around up at JaNET :)

--
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Ben Vost wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch up
> on the last two weeks...

Welcome back! Did you like Japan? :-)
Best regards,
--
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Aka: Caine
Porto Alegre-RS
Brazil
mailto:mateussd@cpovo.net

Hi Alan <kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk>,

On the 18-Oct-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: your mail if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> 
>> Wait until you try Miami OS 3.5 then <evil grin> :)
> 
> and, as said, if this is the case, and the TCPIP stack in the OS has a
> timeout, then that is unacceptable (it wont affect me as i'm a reg'ged
> Miami user, however, it would be unacceptable)

i don't think it will have a timeout, but it will probably have limited
features. But think about it, Windows TCP/IP is about as limited as you can get
;)

Cya d00d
GazChap.
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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> err, they dont travel by the A1 you know...;-) what sort of connection

  I've heard that they're soon going to take the tube though! (In London
of course).


bye,
  Chris

--
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Hello Ben

On 18-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:
> Hi tdc98@doc.ic.ac.uk,

>> I'm planning on buying a ext. scsi zip 250 drive, but I'm not sure what
>> software I'll need. I've found mountlists for mac, pc, PFS and FFS on
>> the aminet but they're only for the Zip 100. Can I just adapt the 100
>> mountfile (e.g. scale up the highcylinder value) or is there more to it
>> than that?

> No, that should be fine (it's what I did), but you do know about the
> drive's incredible slowness at reading or writing to Zip100 disks (which
> you'll mostly get)?

    Got one of those 250's on Sunday.  Over 2MB second to read on this
Blizzard 2060, beats my old Quantum 50MB into the dirt and 5 x the size. 
:-)

    I got an adapter for the sub 50 pin connector on my 2060 to 25 pin scsi
from Maplins for 17.

Cheers
-- 
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-----------------------------------------------

Hi Mateus,

>> Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch
>> up
>> on the last two weeks...

> Welcome back! Did you like Japan? :-)

Yes, thanks. It was great, just not enough Amigas there for my taste... :)

All the best,
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Excuse for the day: Network packets travelling uphill

On 17-Oct-99, Simon Jenkins wrote:

> I need some help with this please. Is it a simple case of writing them in
> something such as a WP or ED?

yup. load the file into ed (.taglines I think) and type away. Use "%%" to
separate them all. I have a 2meg file of them here, nice

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Hint for Mom:  Try to get some breakfast in them.

Hi Patrice
Somewhere around 17-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about 

> *Browsers* : I found Vpre4 verrrry slow, and I had to reset several times

I found a new problem. clicking on reload doesn't reset the frame positons.
I'm trying to make a page with frames on, and am adjusting the sizes, but
these only take effect if you close it and reopen it.....

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

How many times do you need to be tolled anyway?

On 17-Oct-99, Dave Naylor wrote:

> Of course none of this means anything.  I'd have bought the mag
> even if it had a tractor on the cover.

Would this be a scantilly clad tractor?

Mash - taking PlayTractor into the bathroom
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                               Matthew O'Neill

Ura Redneck if, Your local funeral home has a neon sign in the window.

> > *Browsers* : I found V=B3pre4 verrrry slow, and I had to reset
several times
> 
> I found a new problem. clicking on reload doesn't reset the frame
positons.
> I'm trying to make a page with frames on, and am adjusting the sizes,
but
> these only take effect if you close it and reopen it.....

I found that the thing wouldn't start without assigning AFCD45 to the
Voyager dir. When I finally managed to get it working, I found that,
when clicking on a link, I had to press it at least twice. Strange?

Paul

I may sound stupid, but how to you guys get all of those cool taglines
at the end of your posts?

> Hi Patrice
> Somewhere around 17-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about=20
>=20
> > *Browsers* : I found V=B3pre4 verrrry slow, and I had to=20
> > reset several times

V3 isn't slow, it's ACCURATE and COMPLIANT. IBrowse makes some
pretty nasty assumptions regarding tables and skips some calcs
to speed up rendering. So it's fast, but it's bound to ignore
the HEIGHT tag, and not do percentage widths properly.

I suppose you pay for doing it properly, eh?

> I found a new problem. clicking on reload doesn't reset the=20
> frame positons. I'm trying to make a page with frames on, and
> am adjusting the sizes, but these only take effect if you
> close it and reopen it.....

I hope you're reporting these to voyager-bugs@vapor.com

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Rob and Alan, 

> > Alan, you've just redeemed yourself completely in my opinion!!  Star Wars
> > references are always a winner with me...
> > Join us on afb-movie if you're a fan (and you can also see what I've been saying
> > behind your back - trust me, you'll laugh!!)

> hmm, may have to join the -ot and -movie 

Rats, I was enjoying that for the last couple of weeks. Are you two
knocking it on the head now ? If so, I'm unsubscribing... ;)    And
it's funny how this should all come to an end just as Ben and Seeley
return. Bah, that's the trouble with scraps these days, no stamina for
it anymore.

Come on over to afb-movie then, Alan. If you can talk film then we'll
take you with open arms. (you try surpassing my position as the top
mailer though and there'll be trouble  ;) )

Cheers,

Eddie

"Why can't we all just... get along ?"  (Jack Nicholson, Mars Attacks)

Hi Rob and Chris,

> >  Chris - Who used look like Jesus when beared.

> *Everyone* looks like Jesus when bearded!  Well, excluding *some* women...

Come and work at Heathrow in the security section. All the women have
*got* beards !   Jeeesus !!!

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi Tudor,
 
> > Well, I got some nice goodies in the post (thanks Eddie and Errol)

> We didn't - that was why it was crap :(

Well, if you entered some of the quizzes on afb-movie then some nice
goodies could well be heading your way  :)  (Ben got his by pipping
Rob Marris to the post at the very last moment...)

Cheers,

Eddie

What's going on ?

Hi amipal@yahoo.com,

> I found that the thing wouldn't start without assigning AFCD45 to the
> Voyager dir. When I finally managed to get it working, I found that,
> when clicking on a link, I had to press it at least twice. Strange?

Eh? Assigning AFCD45:?

All the best,
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Hi amipal@yahoo.com,

> I may sound stupid, but how to you guys get all of those cool taglines
> at the end of your posts?

It's not a stupid question at all. If you are using the web to post mail
though, you'd probably have to type them in manually. You need to have an
email package, like YAM, THOR or pretty much any of the others. These can
automatically put random taglines at the bottom of every mail for you.

All the best,
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    Try: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/

Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > just a thought, because I'm planning to get a BIG hd, but i'd need to
> > install 3.0 first so I can use my CD drive to install 3.5
> 
> It comes with a neat boot disk IIRC.
Good. Thats ok, then.

> And don't you mean `install 3.1 first`?
Well, I currently don't have 3.1, so it would seem pointless to buy 3.1
just to replace it with 3.5 =)

-curry

-- 
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"Nobody escapes us!" - Microsoft

"We wil tear your souls apart!" - Gateway to Amiga users

MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> Folks
> For anyone interested in *big* hard drives - take a look at:
> http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/991015.htm
> I can't help being proud of my department!!

Didn't some professor guy make a pcmcia card which could hold
4#TERA#bytes? And it only cost $50. Kinda makes a big HD look alittle...
well... small.


-- 
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"Nobody escapes us!" - Microsoft

"We wil tear your souls apart!" - Gateway to Amiga users

> Rats, I was enjoying that for the last couple of weeks. Are you two
> knocking it on the head now ? If so, I'm unsubscribing... ;)    And
> it's funny how this should all come to an end just as Ben and Seeley
> return. Bah, that's the trouble with scraps these days, no stamina for
> it anymore.

Well I'm pretty sure Ben would have ended it anyway...
But I don't like long running arguements with ppl anyway.

> Come on over to afb-movie then, Alan. If you can talk film then we'll
> take you with open arms. (you try surpassing my position as the top
> mailer though and there'll be trouble  ;) )

Yeah, you heard what happened to Dianna Ross at Heathrow - *that* was Eddie!!
:)

RobM

Well, if you entered some of the quizzes on afb-movie then some nice
goodies could well be heading your way  :)  (Ben got his by pipping
Rob Marris to the post at the very last moment...)

..but it will never happen again... (cue evil laugh)

RobM

Hi Eddie,

> Well, if you entered some of the quizzes on afb-movie then some nice
> goodies could well be heading your way  :)  (Ben got his by pipping
> Rob Marris to the post at the very last moment...)

Mwahahahaha... /me rubs hands together with glee...

All the best,
-- 
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Why doesn't onomatopoeia sound like what it means?

> > I found that the thing wouldn't start without assigning AFCD45 to
the
> > Voyager dir. When I finally managed to get it working, I found that,
> > when clicking on a link, I had to press it at least twice. Strange?
> 
> Eh? Assigning AFCD45:?
> 
> All the best,
> -- 
> Ben Vost

I know! Every time I started it, it asked for AFCD45, even after a
reboot! In fact, I've never had AFCD45 in the drive when starting
Voyager!

Paul

I emailed those cool guys at Hyperion about converting some games, and
I suggested converting Homeworld. Apparently, they are already looking
into it!
(evil cackles...)

Paul

Hi A,

>> And don't you mean `install 3.1 first`?
> Well, I currently don't have 3.1, so it would seem pointless to buy 3.1
> just to replace it with 3.5 =)

You have to have 3.1 or 3.5 won't work.

All the best,
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Please use other door

> > I found that the thing wouldn't start without assigning AFCD45 to
the
> > Voyager dir. When I finally managed to get it working, I found that,
> > when clicking on a link, I had to press it at least twice. Strange?
> 
> Eh? Assigning AFCD45:?
> 
> All the best,
> -- 
> Ben Vost

It just kept asking for it... It wouldn't stop... The CD wasn't in the
drive, and never has been for the past week. Rebooting wouldn't solve
it, so I did the only thing I could thinnk of; I assigned it

> Didn't some professor guy make a pcmcia card which could hold
> 4#TERA#bytes? And it only cost $50. Kinda makes a big HD look alittle...
> well... small.

It's still experimental and in development - a *long* way from hitting the
streets.  It's based on some new polymer plastic.... a complely different
direction to hard-drive technology.

RobM

"ben vost" <ben.vos-@futurenet.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=32918
> Hi A,
> 
> >> And don't you mean `install 3.1 first`?
> > Well, I currently don't have 3.1, so it would seem pointless to buy
3.1
> > just to replace it with 3.5 =)
> 
> You have to have 3.1 or 3.5 won't work.

I thought you just needed the ROMs?

Paul

Hi MARRISR@uk.ibm.com

On 18-Oct-99, you wrote:

> 
> 
>> 9.2. the creation or transmission of material which is designed or
>> likely to cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety;
> 
> ...definately comes under "annoyance"!
> 
>> both of which this message falls under. There's therefore grounds for
>> termination of this person's authorisation to use JANET, which would
>> amuse me greatly...
> 
> ...and quite a few others too.

One of my best friend's works in the computer admin section of NTU - do
you think I should be evil and pass this along........... BTW, he hates
students!

;->

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
"Bother," said Christopher Morris as his mail access was revoked unexpectedly.

Hi Ben

On 18-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> I'm planning on buying a ext. scsi zip 250 drive, but I'm not sure
>> what software I'll need. I've found mountlists for mac, pc, PFS and
>> FFS on the aminet but they're only for the Zip 100. Can I just adapt
>> the 100 mountfile (e.g. scale up the highcylinder value) or is there
>> more to it than that?
> 
> No, that should be fine (it's what I did), but you do know about the
> drive's incredible slowness at reading or writing to Zip100 disks
> (which you'll mostly get)?

Could increasing the buffer sizes help speed this up a bit...? :-)

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
"I find your lack of technical support disturbing."
- Darth Vader on MS Deathstar.

Hi Patrice

On 18-Oct-99, you wrote:

>   All that stuff about secret messages does make me feel younger; it
> reminds me of how many times I "customised" my kickstart disk.
> 
>   But I didn't really get /what/ the gurus had to sit on in order to
> meditate; I understood it was a joystick... without the stick, I
> expect ;-)

I'd thought it was an early version of the motherboard, which meant that
they had to sit _really still_ or the flexing would cause the prototype
Amiga to crash...!

Or perhaps I should just stop eating cheese before I go to bed! ;-)

Frost.
-- 
Find Jesus? I didn't know he was lost. Try under the sofa.

Hi Ben

On 18-Oct-99, you wrote:

> The one question that everyone asks when I get out the Canon Ixus to
> take a picture is "Is it one of them digital camera jobs, then?". I
> shout back (because if they're hard of thinking, they may be hard of
> hearing too), "no, it's an APS camera, it's smaller than most credible
> digital cameras are, and it takes far less battery power". I probably
> would have spent sixty quid on batteries for it if it had been digital
> anyway...

Is there no way to use standard rechargeable batteries with digital
cameras then? If they use some sort of custom battery, then that's a bit
of an annoying thing for the designers to do. With rechargables, you
could always run it for long periods using a "batman"-style utility belt
of them, or even a Mexican banderlero ammo belt filled with them and
snap away with confidence (although you'd probably draw a few glances
wearing dubious accessories like that!).

BTW, welcome back Ben! :-)

Frost.
-- 
"Bother," said Frost, as he realised how much better Wirenet was than his
'free' ISP, but was hindered by having a NTL phoneline, rather than a BT
one, ever since those damned builders demolished the part of his house
with the BT phone socket in by "accident".

Hi Neil

On 18-Oct-99, you wrote:

>>> This is already available over Digital TV, with no telephone costs
>>> for either party.
> 
>> But these have to be viewed when transmitted - this isn't the same as
>> downloading...
> 
> What? you don't have a VCR? :)

I've heard you can't record these - well, you can, but they've put some
sort of copyright thing in the signal and it messes up the colours and
makes the volume rise and fall periodically. Stops people making copies
of new films for 2.99... (The swines!)

> Anyway, who wants to pay 2.99 for a movie and have to watch it on a
> 17" monitor when there's a nice big TV in front of the nice comfy
> sofa?

Some of us don't even have 15" monitors! BTW, I'm finally looking at
getting a BIG monitor like 19". I'm thinking of about 450 approx
budget, but I'd pay a bit more as long as someone can say for certain
whether the display itself is of high quality, and that it also has a
good warranty and service agreement.

Frost (with his Commodore 1960, which is nice, but not exactly big.)
-- 
I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.

Hi michael.carrillo@ukonline.co.uk

On 18-Oct-99, you wrote:

> As long as it's a female and not Ben Vost or Richard Drummond in drag.
> :)

I really wonder what /that/ would do for sales! ;-)

> Myself, I prefer brunetes.

A fiery redhead would be acceptable too! Anyway, who says you have to
hire an expensive model. Why not sell some raffle tickets to
nice-looking women for 50p each (thus /making/ money!), with the prize
"appear on a magazine cover (not nude!)"., and bung a freebie copy of
the mag so she can see herself in glossy 2D colour... 

Or open it up to regular AF readers! (Although I dread to think of the
possibility of some of the regulars here in drag also!)

Frost (budding entrepreneur)
-- 
Being defeated is a temporary condition. Giving up is what makes it permanent.

Hi amipal@yahoo.com,

>> You have to have 3.1 or 3.5 won't work.

> I thought you just needed the ROMs?

You have to install 3.1 first in the beta I have, then OS3.5 over the top. I
wouldn't worry about having to buy it separately though, I think it will be
included on the CD anyway.

All the best,
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try this: http://www.goigoi.com

Hi Frost,

>> No, that should be fine (it's what I did), but you do know about the
>> drive's incredible slowness at reading or writing to Zip100 disks
>> (which you'll mostly get)?

> Could increasing the buffer sizes help speed this up a bit...? :-)

Not really. It's more to do with the way the 250 is made...

All the best,
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Loose Lips Drop Chips

> >> You have to have 3.1 or 3.5 won't work.
> 
> > I thought you just needed the ROMs?
> 
> You have to install 3.1 first in the beta I have, then OS3.5 over the
top. I
> wouldn't worry about having to buy it separately though, I think it
will be
> included on the CD anyway.

Phew! (Images of money falling into drain gone)

Paul

I am looking into learning HTML for my course at Uni.
I was looking at books in Waterstones that help learn people how to do
this.
However they all refer to HTML as HTML 4. 
Is there a diffrence between the two or is HTML 4 designed for the PC
only. 
I was hoping to design the pages on my Amiga but want a PC browser to
be able to view them. 
I always thought HTML was a standard accross platforms but if there is
diffrent versions 
of it that cant be the case. Is the HTML 4 book woth buying is is it
incompatable 
with the Amiga?

Cheers Chris

Hi s-c.tennant1@tees.ac.uk,

> I am looking into learning HTML for my course at Uni.
> I was looking at books in Waterstones that help learn people how to do
> this.
> However they all refer to HTML as HTML 4. 
> Is there a diffrence between the two or is HTML 4 designed for the PC
> only. 
> I was hoping to design the pages on my Amiga but want a PC browser to
> be able to view them. 
> I always thought HTML was a standard accross platforms but if there is
> diffrent versions 
> of it that cant be the case. Is the HTML 4 book woth buying is is it
> incompatable 
> with the Amiga?

HTML 4 is the current version of the page description language. All current
Amiga browsers support it.

All the best,
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"I'm trying to get some air circulating in the loft", 
said Tom fanatically.

I quick thank you to all the kind people on AFB who helped me to
download my mail from Yahoo! using YAM. I didn't think it was possible
to do, but your extra knowledge has helped greatly. Thanks guys!

Paul

Hi amipal@yahoo.com,

> I quick thank you to all the kind people on AFB who helped me to
> download my mail from Yahoo! using YAM. I didn't think it was possible
> to do, but your extra knowledge has helped greatly. Thanks guys!

Now you'll be able to have those whacky taglines we all use too... 

All the best,
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Q:  How much does a cockney pay for his shampoo?
A:  Pantene

> Now you'll be able to have those whacky taglines we all use too... 

Not while I'm at work though, working on this heathen machine.

Paul

> One of my best friend's works in the computer admin section of NTU - do
> you think I should be evil and pass this along........... BTW, he hates
> students!

Go on Frost!!!
It'll teach the little prick that *everything* is traceable in this day and age!

RobM

Hi Rob,

> Yeah, you heard what happened to Dianna Ross at Heathrow - *that* was Eddie!!
> :)

Heh heh, she came back through again last week. Obviously looking for
more of the same  ;)

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi Frost,

> >> But these have to be viewed when transmitted - this isn't the same as
> >> downloading=2E=2E=2E

> > What? you don't have a VCR? :)
>=20
> I've heard you can't record these - well, you can, but they've put some
> sort of copyright thing in the signal and it messes up the colours and
> makes the volume rise and fall periodically=2E Stops people making copies
> of new films for =A32=2E99=2E=2E=2E (The swines!)

You mean, like Macrovision on some video tapes ? Well, so much for the
digital revolution then=2E If I'm paying =A32=2E99 and I can't make a copy =
-
well, then I'm *not* paying =A32=2E99=2E I'll stick to the normal movie
channels on Sky, I think=2E

Cheers,

Eddie

On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 06:55:55PM +0100, Frost wrote:

> One of my best friend's works in the computer admin section of NTU - do
> you think I should be evil and pass this along........... BTW, he hates
> students!

Ooh - bit of a BOFH? Why not? I know this sort of thing would make several
admins I know rub their hands with glee :) 

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

Patrice Champarou wrote:

> What's going on ?

Not your subject line, for one thing.  :)

Regards,
Jonny.

--
It's a small world. So you gotta use your elbows a lot.

Frost wrote:

> Is there no way to use standard rechargeable batteries with digital
> cameras then? If they use some sort of custom battery, then that's a bit
> of an annoying thing for the designers to do. With rechargables, you
> could always run it for long periods using a "batman"-style utility belt
> of them, or even a Mexican banderlero ammo belt filled with them and
> snap away with confidence (although you'd probably draw a few glances
> wearing dubious accessories like that!).

The Nikon Coolpix 950 uses four rechargable AAs.
Haven't bought the Batman belt yet though...  :)

Regards,
Jonny.

--
I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.

amipa wrote:

>> Eh? Assigning AFCD45:?

> It just kept asking for it... It wouldn't stop... The CD wasn't in the
> drive, and never has been for the past week. Rebooting wouldn't solve
> it, so I did the only thing I could thinnk of; I assigned it

Photogenics does a similar thing for me when I open a file. It looks, by
default, for an AFCD from a year ago or so. Wierd.

Regards,
Jonny.

--
Always take time to stop and smell the roses and, sooner or later, you'll
inhale a bee.

> Sealey, M. wrote:
> > 
> > > just a thought, because I'm planning to get a BIG hd, but 
> > > i'd need to install 3.0 first so I can use my CD drive to
> > > install 3.5
>
> > .. don't you mean `install 3.1 first`?
>
> Well, I currently don't have 3.1, so it would seem pointless 
> to buy 3.1 just to replace it with 3.5 =)

Heh, I see your point :) .. I assume you have got 3.1 ROMs then,
right? Na, forget it, of course you have :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> I know! Every time I started it, it asked for AFCD45, even after a
> reboot! In fact, I've never had AFCD45 in the drive when starting
> Voyager!

That's contact manager playing up, you'll have run it from AFCD45
some time in the past and it's assigned it's directory there.

Easy - go into your ENVARC: directory and delete all the prefs
that are named cman#?

I had that EXACT same problem :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> I emailed those cool guys at Hyperion about converting some games, and
> I suggested converting Homeworld. Apparently, they are already looking
> into it!
> (evil cackles...)

/me falls into a convulsing heap on the floor at the thought of being
able to play Homeworld

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Ben Vost wrote:
> 
> Hi A,
> 
> You have to have 3.1 or 3.5 won't work.

I obviously intend to get the 3.1 ROMS ith 3.5 (this will work, yes?

-curry

-- 
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"Nobody escapes us!" - Microsoft

"We wil tear your souls apart!" - Gateway to Amiga users

> > Next SWAG meet around Ben's for the slideshow of Japan ;)
> 
> Oh no....
> "Here's one of me and the missus next to a rocket train"
> (insert pretty picture of train and 2 unrecognisable people)
> "Here's one of me in front of Mt. Fuji"
> (insert picture of pretty mountain and 1 unrecognisable person)
> etc
> etc
> 
> Slides - great for your memories but a sure way to bore the pants of
> everyone else alive (similar to showing babyscans to people - I could
see my
> baby - evryone else thought "funny marks on that photo" and turned
away)
> 

I hate to burst everyones bubbles but APS isnt available in slides -
you'll be wadding through ten foot of kodak or fuji paper. 

 Confetti anyone?

Bifford the Youngest.

> > > Next SWAG meet around Ben's for the slideshow of Japan ;)
> > 
> > Oh no....
> >
> > Slides - great for your memories but a sure way to bore the pants of
> > everyone else alive [snip]
> 
> I hate to burst everyones bubbles but APS isnt available in slides -
> you'll be wadding through ten foot of kodak or fuji paper. 

Wadding?

And besides, it's easy to get already-developed-photos turned into
slides, if you know where to go (like Jacobs in Leicester..)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > I emailed those cool guys at Hyperion about converting some games,
and
> > I suggested converting Homeworld. Apparently, they are already
looking
> > into it!
> > (evil cackles...)
> 
> /me falls into a convulsing heap on the floor at the thought of being
> able to play Homeworld

Don't get too excited yet: apparently Sierra haven't been too receptive
to Hyperions hails...

Paul

> MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:
> > 
> > Folks
> > For anyone interested in *big* hard drives - take a look at:
> > http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/991015.htm
> > I can't help being proud of my department!!
> 
> Didn't some professor guy make a pcmcia card which could hold
> 4#TERA#bytes? And it only cost $50. Kinda makes a big HD look alittle...
> well... small.

Urgh, 16 bit wide access!!

Kev


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> > > I emailed those cool guys at Hyperion about converting some games,
> > > and I suggested converting Homeworld. Apparently, they are already
> > > looking into it! (evil cackles...)
> > 
> > /me falls into a convulsing heap on the floor at the 
> > thought of being able to play Homeworld
> 
> Don't get too excited yet: apparently Sierra haven't been too 
> receptive to Hyperions hails...

/me still in a convulsing heap on the floor at the thought of
being able to play Homeworld on a PC anyway :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

I'm thinking about using my amiga for linux, does anyone know a good
place to get it and if I can keep my original amiga setup but run linux
if i want to.

Necronlord

> > I hate to burst everyones bubbles but APS isnt available in slides -
> > you'll be wadding through ten foot of kodak or fuji paper. 
> 
> Wadding?
> 
> And besides, it's easy to get already-developed-photos turned into
> slides, if you know where to go (like Jacobs in Leicester..)

Typo.  Wadeing.  (?)  Sod it: you'll be climbing over a ten foot
pile.....

I bet they charge a tidy sum though...getting 35mm or APS put onto
Kodak Photo CDs cost 99p per image - Slide would cost more I should
imagine.

Bifford the Youngest.

> > > > I emailed those cool guys at Hyperion about converting some
games,
> > > > and I suggested converting Homeworld. Apparently, they are
already
> > > > looking into it! (evil cackles...)
> > > 
> > > /me falls into a convulsing heap on the floor at the 
> > > thought of being able to play Homeworld
> > 
> > Don't get too excited yet: apparently Sierra haven't been too 
> > receptive to Hyperions hails...
> 
> /me still in a convulsing heap on the floor at the thought of
> being able to play Homeworld on a PC anyway :)

Well, it is pretty damn special, I can tell you! Just watching wave
after wave of your interceptors going in for the kill...BOOM!

Paul

> > > I hate to burst everyones bubbles but APS isnt available=20
> > > in slides - you'll be wadding through ten foot of kodak
> > > or fuji paper.=20
> >=20
> > Wadding?
> >=20
> > And besides, it's easy to get already-developed-photos turned into
> > slides, if you know where to go (like Jacobs in Leicester..)
>=20
> Typo.  Wadeing.  (?)  Sod it: you'll be climbing over a ten foot
> pile.....

You mean wading? Did you not pay attention to Words and Pictures when
you were a tot? The unfortunately named Magic Magic E?

> I bet they charge a tidy sum though...getting 35mm or APS put onto
> Kodak Photo CDs cost 99p per image - Slide would cost more I should
> imagine.

So? If you want them converted then that's how much it costs. Well,
actually I think it's more like 50p an image for slides plus =A310 to
cover the materials.

PhotoCDs are way too expensive..

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > /me still in a convulsing heap on the floor at the thought of
> > being able to play Homeworld on a PC anyway :)
> 
> Well, it is pretty damn special, I can tell you!

Errmm.. you think I'd be convulsing on the floor if I didn't
know what it was like? That game is *THE* game that I've ALWAYS
wanted. 

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi,

I have finally got to the installation screen in linux but am having
problems with redhat the installer says it can not be found i am
definatley pointing it in the right place i am using redhat of afcd40
and noticed that there is no files in the redhat base/base/comps
directory.

I have read some where that there should be a file in there for each
of the rpms you install could this be the problem?

Could some one direct me to a web site where i can download redhat
because all the ones i tryed said they could not connect

does red hat run on all machines or is there system specific versions?

any help is greatly appreciated

hi,

some one mind suggesting a easy to use umap 4 e-mail client

> > > /me still in a convulsing heap on the floor at the thought of
> > > being able to play Homeworld on a PC anyway :)
> > 
> > Well, it is pretty damn special, I can tell you!
> 
> Errmm.. you think I'd be convulsing on the floor if I didn't
> know what it was like? That game is *THE* game that I've ALWAYS
> wanted. 

And then there's the frigates sitting at the back, offloading shot
after shot...BOOM!

Paul

> hi,
> 
> some one mind suggesting a easy to use umap 4 e-mail client

You mean IMAP.

Outlook2000, Eudora, Mulberry. Unfortunatly they aren't on
the Amiga so you'll have to use Pine.

I pity you for having to use Pine (I tried it last week and
couldn't get it to connect dispite following the instructions
to a 't')

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi,

> You mean IMAP.
> 
> Outlook2000, Eudora, Mulberry. Unfortunatly they aren't on
> the Amiga so you'll have to use Pine.
> 
> I pity you for having to use Pine (I tried it last week and
> couldn't get it to connect dispite following the instructions
> to a 't')

You need to follow all of the instructions, not just up to the first
letter 't' you come across ;-)

Ciao

--
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University of Southampton
ICQ UIN - 7610841

Sealey, M. wrote:

> > > > all those poor students who'll lose their years of work, *sigh*
> >
> > > Lose? Bwahahaha! You think we don't keep backups?
> >
> > Good, you'll be needing them. Alot.
> 
> I'm just gonna ignore you because you just don't know what you're
> talking about.

I'm on Matt's side here. You really shouldn't slag off an OS which
you've not even seen screen shots of...
but..
[snip]
> > M$ have never made a stable OS, and they never will. Why start now?
> 
> Because if they don't then Linux and NetBSD will become dominant server
> operating systems and Microsoft will lose a lot of money?

All the more reason for NOT using win2000!
We WANT M$ to lose a lot of money - we DON'T LIKE THEM very much. And we
don't want them to dominate over /anything/. Unfortunately this means
that some ppl are denieing(sp) that windoze can ever be any good.
Or something.

-curry

-- 
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"Nobody escapes us!" - Microsoft
"We will tear your souls apart!" - Gateway to Amiga users

> Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > > > > all those poor students who'll lose their years of 
> > > > > work, *sigh*
> > >
> > > > Lose? Bwahahaha! You think we don't keep backups?
> > >
> > > Good, you'll be needing them. Alot.
> > 
> > I'm just gonna ignore you because you just don't know what you're
> > talking about.
> 
> I'm on Matt's side here. You really shouldn't slag off an OS which
> you've not even seen screen shots of...

Au contrare, I fully expect him to have seen screenshots - it's not
having seen anything ELSE that I'm not pleased about.

> but..

> > > M$ have never made a stable OS, and they never will. Why 
> > > start now?
> > 
> > Because if they don't then Linux and NetBSD will become 
> > dominant server operating systems and Microsoft will lose a
> > lot of money?
> 
> All the more reason for NOT using win2000!

That wasn't part of the question :) In answer to "why start now?"
the answer is obvious - because they'll lose money if they don't.

Purely for Matt's information, I'll point out that Windows 95, 98
and 98SE when properly configured on decent hardware are as stable
as anything, as is NT4 after you've installed Service Pack 5.

Want proof? Why look, we have hundreds of machines here that are
stable as anything! It's no coincidence that they are using rather
expensive high-quality hardware, and have been configured by
professionals.

I'm not saying that Windows is inherently stable - I wouldn't expect
people like your grandparents to be able to install and maintain a
Windows install, but if you can and do know what you're doing then
you can keep a pretty neat system going.

Big IF, though. Not many people can be bothered, and many more 
expect computers to be easy and therefore mess about more, leading
to more breakages. 

Big BUT - if that didn't happen, most of us would be out of a job,
including Matt O'Neill when he finally graduates in a few years
time.

> We WANT M$ to lose a lot of money - we DON'T LIKE THEM very 
> much. And we don't want them to dominate over /anything/.
> Unfortunately this means that some ppl are denying(sp) that
> windoze can ever be any good. Or something.

It's spelt 'Microsoft' (note no $ signs) and 'Windows'. You
don't get any points for having the literacy skills and apparent
maturity of a 5 year old here.

And yes, it does actually mean that people are denying that
Windows will be any good. Well time to wake up, idiots, because
it CAN be good, it just needs (and you'll agree here) a LOT
of work.

I would like to see how your beloved Amiga would fare doing
the same job as an NT server, or even a workstation.. same
goes for anything else you think is 'hip' or 'cool to use'
these days. I'd LOVE to see Matt O'Neill try and configure
Linux to do all the stuff Mint and Lemongrass are doing at
the moment :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi biffordyoungest@hotmail.com,

> I hate to burst everyones bubbles but APS isnt available in slides -
> you'll be wadding through ten foot of kodak or fuji paper. 

I shan't be. APS does have the handy feature for all that money you pay, of
having a preview of all your pictures on one sheet, and they're stored
neatly in a box, so there won't be piles of photos to go through. At most
I'll have to go through 40 to find the one I want.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Excuse for the day: Positron router malfunction

Hi A,

>> You have to have 3.1 or 3.5 won't work.

> I obviously intend to get the 3.1 ROMS ith 3.5 (this will work, yes?

Yes.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All generalizations are false, including this one.

Hi,

I'm considering a permanent change of ISP (to Wirenet), the only thing that's
holding me back atm is that I will lose the static IP address that I've got
through Demon.

So, are there actually any significant advantages in having a static IP
address?

Cheers,
-- 
 James Luscombe                   Amiga 3000T, 030/25, Picasso IV
 james@jackle.demon.co.uk         Amiga 1200, 040/40

 Taglines, Taglines, Catch the fever now...

On Mon, Feb 20, 1978 at 04:08:19PM -0500, Oliver Marks wrote:
> hi,
> 
> some one mind suggesting a easy to use umap 4 e-mail client

Do you mean IMAP 4? AFAIK none of the Amiga GUI mail clients support it,
so your best bet in that respect is probably to find a port of Pine
(which, if such a thing should exist, is probably either on Aminet or in
the Geek Gadgets collection)

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

> Hi,
> 
> I'm considering a permanent change of ISP (to Wirenet), the 
> only thing that's holding me back atm is that I will lose
> the static IP address that I've got through Demon.
> 
> So, are there actually any significant advantages in having a 
> static IP address?

You could webserve from your own machine. Slowly :) Demon
would probably hit you though, for soaking up bandwidth (they
put restrictions on your REAL webpages for a reason :)

That's about it, apart from the obvious pingability factor
(so people know you're online - for instance I'm pinging
you now, and you're replying so I can safely say that you're
online ;)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> V3 isn't slow, it's ACCURATE and COMPLIANT. IBrowse makes some
> pretty nasty assumptions regarding tables and skips some calcs
> to speed up rendering. So it's fast, but it's bound to ignore
> the HEIGHT tag, and not do percentage widths properly.

strange behaviour for an *accurate* and *compliant* browser the... i was
on lottery.merseyworld.com  last night.

V3-pre4 wouldnt show the ticker checker pages properly...IB2.1 did
though
 
> I hope you're reporting these to voyager-bugs@vapor.com

of course 8-)

alan

> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > V3 isn't slow, it's ACCURATE and COMPLIANT. IBrowse makes some
> > pretty nasty assumptions regarding tables and skips some calcs
> > to speed up rendering. So it's fast, but it's bound to ignore
> > the HEIGHT tag, and not do percentage widths properly.
> 
> strange behaviour for an *accurate* and *compliant* browser 
> the... i was on lottery.merseyworld.com  last night.
> 
> V3-pre4 wouldnt show the ticker checker pages properly...IB2.1 did
> though

Accurate and compliant in the sense that it CONSIDERS tags before
it screws them up, accurate and compliant in the sense that it
puts accurate display of the page over speed of use, or at least
in theory. Once all the big bugs have been ironed out of V3 I
fully expect it to become very HTML compliant and VERY good at
what it does. But there are too many nasty memory leaks, too many
buggy .mcc's to rely on, and too many VFlash problems to
consider before niggly problems like crap layout are considered.

That said, IBrowse seems to be the complete opposite - it's
stable as anything, but it's so bland and empty nobody would
want to use it. V3 strikes me as being a fun, easy to use,
and generally quick system - in fact it reminds me of IE5 (not
only in the amount of bugs :)

IBrowse reminds me of Netscape, with it's slow clunky networking,
custom lamps, custom prefs classes, custom pointlessness - how
many IB#?.mcc classes are there? - and it just seems so .. clunky!

Ah well, ymmv, imo, rtf, vcr, ddt, xyz :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> I emailed those cool guys at Hyperion about converting some games, and
> I suggested converting Homeworld. Apparently, they are already looking
> into it!
> (evil cackles...)

theres lots of games that have been suggested to them. they have zero
time until their current *3* projects are done

alan

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Hi A,
> 
> >> And don't you mean `install 3.1 first`?
> > Well, I currently don't have 3.1, so it would seem pointless to buy 3.1
> > just to replace it with 3.5 =)
> 
> You have to have 3.1 or 3.5 won't work.

well, you can buy the 3.1 roms with the os3.5

alan

> > I hate to burst everyones bubbles but APS isnt available in slides -
> > you'll be wadding through ten foot of kodak or fuji paper. 
> 
> I shan't be. APS does have the handy feature for all that money you
pay, of
> having a preview of all your pictures on one sheet, and they're stored
> neatly in a box, so there won't be piles of photos to go through. At
most
> I'll have to go through 40 to find the one I want.
> 

Ah - this I know.  Index sheet that it is.  However, if your anything
like the rest of us you wont be content to show just a select few - but
the whole damn lot! - especially the embarising ones we'd prefer not to
see.......

So.  When are you getting a personal web-page Ben?  And how likely
would it be to see these pics on it?

TTFN

Bifford the Youngest.

> So.  When are you getting a personal web-page Ben?  And how likely
> would it be to see these pics on it?

You lot are SO slow

http://www.subway.demon.co.uk

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi biffordyoungest@hotmail.com,


> Ah - this I know.  Index sheet that it is.  However, if your anything
> like the rest of us you wont be content to show just a select few - but
> the whole damn lot! - especially the embarising ones we'd prefer not to
> see.......

Well, they're all sitting in a bag down here by my side. There's three 25
exp. films, and two 40 exp. Plus another 40 that isn't quite finished yet.
That's nearly 200 photies to go through...

> So.  When are you getting a personal web-page Ben?  And how likely
> would it be to see these pics on it?

As Matt has already pointed out, I have had a website for some time now, but
you'll also notice it hasn't been updated in two years. Perhaps I'll get
round to it for these photos and my diary (written on the Palm Pilot I've
got in for review right now).

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Don't see the fnords!

expensive high-quality hardware, and have been configured by
professionals.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LOL!!
Sorry Matt, I *had* to.....

RobM

 
> 
> expensive high-quality hardware, and have been configured by
> professionals.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> LOL!!
> Sorry Matt, I *had* to.....

? 

Not necessarily me - we have big PC companies with support contracts
to come out and install things. We don't go round installing Windows
for people, that'd be stupid.

What I meant was that instead of some lame English Language lecturer
fiddling with a Windows 95 CD, and engineer comes out and does it
('cos we pay them to) or we toddle on over and give it a kick start
(because lecturers don't get told how to format a hard disk as a rule)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

hi

When I turn on my A1200t (blizzard 1230/IV 32mb, squirrel scsi, 1.7gb ide
hd) all i get is the floppy drive light on, and the hard drive clicks once.
Then nothing.

Anyone any ideas on whats wrong.

> hi
> 
> When I turn on my A1200t (blizzard 1230/IV 32mb, squirrel 
> scsi, 1.7gb ide hd) all i get is the floppy drive light
> on, and the hard drive clicks once. Then nothing.
> 
> Anyone any ideas on whats wrong.

It's dead.

Next?

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

>> expensive high-quality hardware, and have been configured by
>> professionals.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> LOL!!
>> Sorry Matt, I *had* to.....

>?

> Not necessarily me - we have big PC companies with support contracts

I know.... it was just a chance to wind you up! (wind him up and let him
go.....)

RobM

> > The free evening calls are available to any local number, ISP or not,
> > through a telecom reseller called Euphony=2E You don't have to change y=
our
> > telco, as long as you are with BT=2E

    I am one of the lucky ones who live in Hull, We have our own
independant telecommunications company, and have unmetered calls at
all times for 5=2E5p=2E I have recently subscribed to Karoo, the local ISP
for =A315 per month, but all calls cost only 5=2E5p irrespective of time
of day or duration of the call=2E If only BT offered such a value for
money service
--=20
  Cheerio

  ICQ #38639804

Hello biffordyoungest, on 19-Oct-99 13:05:59 you said about:
  [afb] Re: The official list randy bloke is back... 

[snip]

>I hate to burst everyones bubbles but APS isnt available in slides -
>you'll be wadding through ten foot of kodak or fuji paper. 

> Confetti anyone?

No thanks, I've just eaten....


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> > When I turn on my A1200t (blizzard 1230/IV 32mb, squirrel 
> > scsi, 1.7gb ide hd) all i get is the floppy drive light
> > on, and the hard drive clicks once. Then nothing.
> > 
> > Anyone any ideas on whats wrong.
> It's dead.

Either that or your IDE cable has become lose, try removing all the
cables and re-fitting them.

Or there is an intermitant power problem, if your HD spins up then you
know its not that dead, can you see the drive from the early startup
menu ?

Or the drive is just dead,.. they do that every so often.

> > However they all refer to HTML as HTML 4. 
> > Is there a diffrence between the two or is HTML 4 designed for the
PC
> > only. 
> > I was hoping to design the pages on my Amiga but want a PC browser
to
> > be able to view them. 
> > of it that cant be the case. Is the HTML 4 book woth buying is is it
> > incompatable with the Amiga?
> 
> HTML 4 is the current version of the page description language. All
current
> Amiga browsers support it.

Ough if only that were true, unfortunatly neither Voyager pre4, IB2.1
or Aweb3.2 (3.3 ?), support the FULL html4.0 spec, they just support a
large proportion of it. (about the same size as 3.2 is in 4.0). CSS
dont work (but then it doesnt really on IE either).

IB2.1 has problems with the OBJECT tags, and puting loads of tables
inside tables breaks ALL KNOWN browsers.

As for books i recomend the Sybex (big orange and cheap) one as it
covers html 4.0 and bits of perl/javascript.

The full HTML4.0 spec is downloadable from http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/RE
C-html40-19980424/ print it out at uni,.. it 100s of pages so watch out
for grumpy system admin people who like windblows 2000. 

> > > of it that cant be the case. Is the HTML 4 book woth 
> > > buying is is it incompatable with the Amiga?
> > 
> > HTML 4 is the current version of the page description language. All
> > current Amiga browsers support it.
> 
> Ough if only that were true, unfortunatly neither Voyager pre4, IB2.1
> or Aweb3.2 (3.3 ?), support the FULL html4.0 spec, they just support a
> large proportion of it. (about the same size as 3.2 is in 4.0). CSS
> dont work (but then it doesnt really on IE either).

Boink! AWeb 3.2 supports *ALL* of HTML 4.0, as does IBrowse 2.1, but
V3pre4 implements a popular subset ATM (they requested that we tell
them really obvious ommissions so that they'll implement them in
priority order :)

> IB2.1 has problems with the OBJECT tags, and puting loads of tables
> inside tables breaks ALL KNOWN browsers.

Including Netscape and Internet Explorer. In fact, nesting tables for
too long actually causes buffer overruns in IE5, and is classed as a
security risk :)

> The full HTML4.0 spec is downloadable from 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-html40-19980424/ 

I thought we were using HTML 4.01 nowadays? :) In actual fact, HTML
4.01 is just some compatibility enhancements to keep older browsers
working, but the addendums make interesting reading..

(oh, and generating non-compliant code is frowned upon, you'll want
to make heavy use of http://validator.w3.org :)

> print it out at uni, .. it 100s of pages so watch out for grumpy
> system admin people who like Windows 2000. 

Heh, we don't care. We just put the paper in the printers and watch
the poor students' charge cards whittle down to nothing when they
insist on printing out every email, webpage, and titty blonde jpeg
they come across at 4p a sheet :)

Printer Accounting rocks :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 necronlord@totalise.co.uk wrote:

> I'm thinking about using my amiga for linux, does anyone know a good
> place to get it and if I can keep my original amiga setup but run linux
> if i want to.

so long as you have enough HD space - for seperate partitions, or a
spare HD.

www.linuxppc.org

www.linux-m68k.org


alan

On 20 Feb 1978, Oliver Marks wrote:

> Could some one direct me to a web site where i can download redhat
> because all the ones i tryed said they could not connect

eh?

well, firstly, go to the amisoc pages - they give extra hints for that
APUS Amiga format supplied.... also, visit the proper APUS
place! In fact, i'm sure theres now a WWW page devoted to supporting
those who've come to APUS via Amiga Format's great introduction.

by the way, Ben, can we please have some latest Amiga 68k and APUS linux
files on the CD each month?? look at the web link below for some great
files to include!!

you might want to also go to http://welcome.to/apus

> does red hat run on all machines or is there system specific versions?

err, it should run on basic amigas with extra hardware being supported
in *most* cases..read the FAQ's
 
alan

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> I shan't be. APS does have the handy feature for all that money you pay, of
> having a preview of all your pictures on one sheet, and they're stored
> neatly in a box, so there won't be piles of photos to go through. At most
> I'll have to go through 40 to find the one I want.

i got my last few rolls of film on PhotoCD - all the pictures are
printed as an index on the front cover... great!

however, i'm going to delay putting my recent Florida holiday snaps onto
PhotoCD - it would have cost me 99.50 quid!!


alan

Hi Alan,

> by the way, Ben, can we please have some latest Amiga 68k and APUS linux
> files on the CD each month?? look at the web link below for some great
> files to include!!

I certainly don't mind having Linux stuff on our CD, if everyone else is
keen, but it would actually be down to Rich (our resident Eunuchs expert),
who's not in today.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Want to learn about Japanese daily life?
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/index-e.htm

Hi Alan,

> i got my last few rolls of film on PhotoCD - all the pictures are
> printed as an index on the front cover... great!

> however, i'm going to delay putting my recent Florida holiday snaps onto
> PhotoCD - it would have cost me 99.50 quid!!

I have a couple of PhotoCDs as well - AsimCDFS is really good at handling
them, but you're right, they are outrageously expensive...

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Doctors lash out at backlash against whiplash

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> in theory. Once all the big bugs have been ironed out of V3 I
> fully expect it to become very HTML compliant and VERY good at
> what it does. But there are too many nasty memory leaks, too many
> buggy .mcc's to rely on, and too many VFlash problems to
> consider before niggly problems like crap layout are considered.

;-)
 
> That said, IBrowse seems to be the complete opposite - it's
> stable as anything, but it's so bland and empty nobody would
> want to use it. V3 strikes me as being a fun, easy to use,
> and generally quick system - in fact it reminds me of IE5 (not
> only in the amount of bugs :)

:-) well, i might buy V3 - its a purchase that'll have to wait until
i've got all my games bought :-)  
 
> IBrowse reminds me of Netscape, with it's slow clunky networking,
> custom lamps, custom prefs classes, custom pointlessness - how
> many IB#?.mcc classes are there? - and it just seems so .. clunky!

well, IB takes longer to load, but it seems a lot quicker when you are
going to web pages.... V3, on the other hand, loads fast...and shows
pictures quicker...but takes longer to get the whole page on display

..maybe we'll see VFlash plugin working for IBrowse before too long
though....and that plugin is quite bugged (its ported from the Linux
hacking)

alan

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Andrew wrote:

> hi
> 
> When I turn on my A1200t (blizzard 1230/IV 32mb, squirrel scsi, 1.7gb ide
> hd) all i get is the floppy drive light on, and the hard drive clicks once.
> Then nothing.

have you left it for any longer? (like a minute or two?) 

perhaps the HD cable is loose...of the HD has died.

alan

On 19 Oct 1999, Neil Dearing wrote:

>     I am one of the lucky ones who live in Hull, We have our own
> independant telecommunications company, and have unmetered calls at
> all times for 5.5p. I have recently subscribed to Karoo, the local ISP
> for =A315 per month, but all calls cost only 5.5p irrespective of time
> of day or duration of the call. If only BT offered such a value for
> money service

this is true...minimum charge for a BT connection is already 4p=20
(so you have to be online for at least 4 minutes to make it worthwhile!
;-)

alan

hi,

> I have a couple of PhotoCDs as well - AsimCDFS is really good at handling
> them, but you're right, they are outrageously expensive...

i use IDEFix myself....there are some good PhotoCD utils on the aminet
 
alan

Hi Alan,

>> I have a couple of PhotoCDs as well - AsimCDFS is really good at handling
>> them, but you're right, they are outrageously expensive...

> i use IDEFix myself....there are some good PhotoCD utils on the aminet

If you use AsimCDFS, then when you put a PhotoCD in the drive and open it,
it contains drawers for the size of image you want. Open one of these and
there are thumbnail icons for all the images inside and when you drag them
onto your hard drive, or load them in a program, they automatically get
converted to IFF ILBM on the fly.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
try this: http://www.dilbert.com

I ended the poll on this thread earlier today. One other person wanted
to
join me with I2, five others want to use something else, and two were
not
interested (but still interested enough to anwwer the poll?). And there
was some response on the list. I'll look things over and write to the 
responders (some of them at least) soon. Maybe we can get something
going
and more people will get interested when they see something happening?

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> If you use AsimCDFS, then when you put a PhotoCD in the drive and open it,
> it contains drawers for the size of image you want. Open one of these and
> there are thumbnail icons for all the images inside and when you drag them
> onto your hard drive, or load them in a program, they automatically get
> converted to IFF ILBM on the fly.

....now why isnt such information published in your magazine???

alan

Hello necronlord@totalise.co.uk

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

> I'm thinking about using my amiga for linux, does anyone know a good
> place to get it and if I can keep my original amiga setup but run linux
> if i want to.
 
  It depends on /what/ is your "original Amiga setup"; if you mean a plain
A1200 with her 2 megs of chip ram, forget it! The 68k Redhat version I'm going to send to Maarten requires at least 8 Mo, FPU and MMU. It's a minimum... and I'm not sure it works ( but he'll certainly let us know )

> strange behaviour for an *accurate* and *compliant* browser the... i was
> on lottery.merseyworld.com  last night.
> 
> V3-pre4 wouldnt show the ticker checker pages properly...IB2.1 did
> though
> 
>> I hope you're reporting these to voyager-bugs@vapor.com
> 
> of course 8-)

  But do they ever happen to answer?

  Patrice

Hello Andrew

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

> When I turn on my A1200t (blizzard 1230/IV 32mb, squirrel scsi, 1.7gb ide
> hd) all i get is the floppy drive light on, and the hard drive clicks
> once. Then nothing.

  Have you recently changed your PSU ? Something similar happened to me
( couldn't really find out what I'd done wrong ) 
  The Amiga was not dead, but the floppy drive was, so...

  Patrice

Hello Jonathan

>> What's going on ?
> 
> Not your subject line, for one thing.  :)

  Right. In case anyone would be interested *( if not, stop reading now )*,
I'll explain this.
  Yesterday at about 6.30 pm, I made a mistake and pressed the SEND button,
so that three messages waiting in my "outgoing" file actually went out
( I usually keep them waiting before I decide if they're worth sending;
I think they weren't:)

After a few minutes, I got a message from eGroups.com Manager telling me
> posting sent to the moderator for approval

  I thought maybe I had said something wrong and deserved to be "moderated",
but the strangest thing is that *not a single message from AFB was sent to*
*me, or even appeared on the AFB page, until today, 1.30 pm!*

  18 hours without a drop of your stuff is hard, so I threw a few messages
in bottles, including this one, and I'm still wondering... /what's been /
/going on?/

  Patrice

Hello Ben

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

> I certainly don't mind having Linux stuff on our CD, if everyone else i=
s
> keen, but it would actually be down to Rich (our resident Eunuchs exper=
t),
> who's not in today.
 =

  Pleaaaase be careful! That's the way two French magazines started
sinking down, ending up with news about each and every so-called
"alternative" system.

  One died, the other survived thanks to the PC mags owned to the same gr=
oup, but I haven't read a word about the Amiga in it for three months!

  On the CD...? if you like, but please keep the mag from diversion!

  Greetings,

  Patrice=

Hi Alan,

>> If you use AsimCDFS, then when you put a PhotoCD in the drive and open
>> it, it contains drawers for the size of image you want. Open one of these
>> and there are thumbnail icons for all the images inside and when you drag
>> them onto your hard drive, or load them in a program, they automatically
>> get converted to IFF ILBM on the fly.

> ....now why isnt such information published in your magazine???

It has been on several occasions. Do you think we should have a section of
repeated info the whole time?

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Oh my god, it's going to piss down!

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Patrice Champarou wrote:

>   But do they ever happen to answer?

yes, my page bug is now amongst their list - hopefully pre5 will see it
fixed :-)

alan

hi,

>   Pleaaaase be careful! That's the way two French magazines started
> sinking down, ending up with news about each and every so-called
> "alternative" system.

errm , well it depends how its done. I mean, we've had news on Amiga
related things..fine, non Amiga related things...fine, depending if it
can be related in some way (ie new Epson printers with XXX technology
etc)

now, Linux m68k and APUS can be run on the Amiga hardware...in fact many
people use it!! and to have maybe 80Mb of files on a 650Mb disk isnt
asking too much...and would save a lot of time. 
 
>   On the CD...? if you like, but please keep the mag from diversion!

well, theres been far more offtopic stuff than articles on an OS that
you can run on your Amiga!

alan

Hello Alan

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

> yes, my page bug is now amongst their list - hopefully pre5 will see it

  How did you do /that/? Answering in 10 second's time?

Regards

<html>I'm interested in knowing if anyone out there have,<BR>
use or know of VR-gloves, motion trackers and glasses/<BR>
headsets that work with the Amiga?..<BR>
<BR>
Just searched the web and came across some VERY expensive<BR>
thingys, though very cool....one of the motion-trackers had<BR>
sensors that could be fastened to the body at various points<BR>
and the signals could then be read into the computer....<BR>
quite fancy stuff...<BR>
<BR>
But still...gloves and headset would work for me...<BR>
anyone know of hardware; and perhaps SOFTWARE for<BR>
such equipment?..<BR>
<BR>
Toffy<BR>
<BR></html>

On 18-Oct-99, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:


>> you want me to run through the feature list of Miami Deluxe and compare
>> it to the Win32 and MacOS stacks??

> Well you seem to think you're some sort of expert so yes.

Methinks you don't know who Neil Bothwick is. Arguing with the owner of an
ISP about net software isn't the brightest idea ever, I must admit.

Mash - keeping weeeeeelllll back
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

"Ah don' wanna talk to you no more."

On 18-Oct-99, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:


> Because it's increasingly getting to the stage where these features are
> being used all over the place. If my browser doesn't support them, I can't
> use those sites. Do you decided what sites to visit on the basis of
> whether it uses Java and plugins because your browser doesn't support
> them? In that case you're limiting what you can and can't access - the
> total oposite of what the internet is about.

Well I certainly do! If I want news on the playstation 2, I don't go to
www.sony.com because it's an "interactive experience" site which means It
takes 15 minutes to download of wade my way through the gumph (shockwave,
flash, java....) just to get the pictures. Whereas I goto a proper news
site (eg www.slashdot.org) which has none of that and I can find the
pictures within seconds. Many sites do use these just because. The only use
I've seen is places like comedy central, where the only reason for going is
to see the animations

Mash - browsing 5x faster on his 50MHz amiga with a 28k modem than his
brother upstairs on a PII 266 with a 56k modem....by a lonnnnnng way.
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

"Awright, hold it...where's the mutant repellant?" -Steve

On 18-Oct-99, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

>> AWeb demo times out, AWebSE doesn't.
>> Miami demo times out, OS3.5 Miami won't.

>> Do you see it yet?

> Yes, I see a distiction set out by the creators of those products. I have
> plenty on demos on coverdiscs that don't time out - they are disable in
> other ways.

Tim rue anyone? I'll go get him.....

they are limited in different ways. awebSE will be limited most likely in
the number of connections and windows it can have open, and maybe not have
javascript. While the demo would shut off after 30 minutes, not let you
save a web page or view the source, plus pop up a requester every 10
minutes

Mash - Understanding
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Don't play with my ears... unless you're serious. - Quark

Hi M.
Somewhere around 18-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about 

> Miami and AWeb don't have those kinds of restrictions - in fact they
> have NO restricitons with regards to use, but I'll doubt they have
> such 'advanced' features such as IP-NAT  and 'Spoof as Mozilla'
> respectively, as they are pretty much not-needed funtions. Miami OS3.5
> is certainly more feature-rich than the original Miami, and AWebSE
> is certainly better for being optimised for Reactor GUIs now rather
> than older (yet.. the same :) ClassAct ones.

how is spoof as mozilla a feature? I doubt they'd remove that, all it does
is change a simple bit of text, yet make many more pages compatible

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

IneedsignificantlymoreroominthislineforwhatIwanttosay.

On 18-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> Don't forget the built-in email client too...

IIRC at the presentation at WOA they said it was just a library, not a
client

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Quick!  Let's fix the Hubble so we can find the martian probe.

On 18-Oct-99, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

>> That means you're either;

>> a) Impotent in an evil way
>> b) Gay in an evil way
>> c) Boring in an evil way
>> 
>> Which is it? And no, you can't just be evil

> Who said this list wasn't mature...?

poo-poo head

Mash - King of the castle
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

PUNNY BOOK = Lawyers of Suffering: Grin and Barrett.

Hi Neil
Somewhere around 18-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about 

>> Since when have you given 50 hours a month free!!??? If I'd known this
>> I'd have joined ages ago!, what do you have to do to get these? As long
>> as I don't have to change my phone co then I' might join, is NTL ok?

> No it's not :(

Oh Bunty Collocks :(

Mash - still paying for his emai
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

A whore is a whore for the same reason some of us aren't.

Hi Neil
Somewhere around 18-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about 

> This is already available over Digital TV, with no telephone costs for
> either party.

How does the skybox send the request for the film?.... same problem for the
email, you have to be connected all the while you have the email bit on :(
but if its a really long mail then you can yank out the cable and write it,
then let it reconnect later when the mail is written

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Get a USR It leaves the others behind.

On 17-Oct-99, Danny Shepherd wrote:

> A 1x CDROM shifts 150k/sec so it's probably a 4x drive (600k/sec)

x4....speed demon :D

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Clinton's Cabinet: Treasury, Charles Keating.

On 18-Oct-99, Neil Bullock wrote:

> The trouble is, I seem to remember that that figure doesn't just double
> every time the speed goes up. My 4x CD drive says it does 300k/sec on it.

So it could be a x8 then!? :) unless maybe they made x6 drives

Mash - x8 powered
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

"Human females are so... repulsive..."  - Lursa

Hi Matthew,

>> Don't forget the built-in email client too...

> IIRC at the presentation at WOA they said it was just a library, not a
> client

Believe me, there's an email package in there too.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Excuse for the day: only available on an NTK basis

Ben Vost said, 

>>> And don't you mean `install 3.1 first`?
>> Well, I currently don't have 3.1, so it would seem pointless to buy 3.1
>> just to replace it with 3.5 =)

> You have to have 3.1 or 3.5 won't work.

Only the 3.1 ROMs, the 3.5 CD has a full 3.1 software install.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet
The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
DCE seeks DTE for mutual exchange of data.

> > Now you'll be able to have those whacky taglines we all use too...
>
> Not while I'm at work though, working on this heathen machine.

Do a search on something like Altavista for B-Original. It's a PC tagline
program that I use (but not much). Used specially for you in this mail :)

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  Did anyone see my lost carrier?

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Patrice Champarou wrote:

>   How did you do /that/? Answering in 10 second's time?

i was online when you answered...its not uncommon to hold
pseudo-realtime conversations with email you know


alan

sorry, cant read this HTML mail junk - please post plain text format
messages


alan

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> IIRC at the presentation at WOA they said it was just a library, not a
> client

theres now a client which uses the library :-)

alan

> > IIRC at the presentation at WOA they said it was just a library, not a
> > client
>
> Believe me, there's an email package in there too.

Yep. There's a piccy of it on the Amiga website (on that bandwith hogging
piccy page advertised on some news sites a while back)

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  Pentiums melt in your PC, not in your hand.

/*Thank You Sealey, M. For Your Email Dated 18-Oct-99*/
> Is this a regular feature now, or do we have to suffer
> with some lame attempt at cover design (not that Colin
> doesn't do a good job :) 
> 
> ?
> 
> I vote we have a blonde next issue :)

Here here matt ;-)

A nice blond, mmmmmmmmm ;-)
<tsb>
 
                              JINKY              
      ***********************************
            Infinitiv A1300 ZII PIV + Conceirto           
                   CTX 15" Trinitron SVGA                        
         GI-Quatro - HD - CD-ROM - Atapi ZIP       
                Blizzard 1230IV + FPU + 32MB          
                         Pace 56k (V.90)                  
                     Epson Stylus Photo 700             
      *********************************** 
                                           
"Bother," said Pooh, as he got trapped in the printer.

  
  

> i was online when you answered...its not uncommon to hold
> pseudo-realtime conversations with email you know
> 

specially on afb :)

Neil

/*Thank You Matthew O'Neill For Your Email Dated 17-Oct-99*/
> Hi
> 
> Personally the lass from issue 121 really got me going :)
> 
> Mash

Ummmm......no comment ;-)
<tsb>
 
                              JINKY              
      ***********************************
            Infinitiv A1300 ZII PIV + Conceirto           
                   CTX 15" Trinitron SVGA                        
         GI-Quatro - HD - CD-ROM - Atapi ZIP       
                Blizzard 1230IV + FPU + 32MB          
                         Pace 56k (V.90)                  
                     Epson Stylus Photo 700             
      *********************************** 
                                           
"Bother," said Pooh, as he realised the needle was dirty.

  
  

Having just re-read the review in AF128, it mentions that VMC expect you to
set up the device via a mountlist or by "tacking parameters onto the device
name when you open it". Would I be right in thinking that the later is simpy
to click once on the icon in the Devs/DOSDrivers drawer, use the "info"
function and set the serial and parallel prefs that way?

I'd apreciate it if anyone on the list that has one of these cards if they
could help. If I remember correctly, don't you have one Mr Jon Barker? :-) 

TIA
<tsb>
 
                              JINKY              
      ***********************************
            Infinitiv A1300 ZII PIV + Conceirto           
                   CTX 15" Trinitron SVGA                        
         GI-Quatro - HD - CD-ROM - Atapi ZIP       
                Blizzard 1230IV + FPU + 32MB          
                         Pace 56k (V.90)                  
                     Epson Stylus Photo 700             
      *********************************** 
                                           
"Bother," said Pooh, as he realised the needle was dirty.

  
  

Hi there,


I was just wondering if anyone else has run into the problem I am
encountering.  

I am having problems detecting the data partition on AF cd's.  I'm running
A3000, ASimCDFS, Plextor 40x SCSI2 cd-rom.  I've emailed ASimware, but
thought I'd check here too.

If anyone has any suggestions, it would be appreciated. 



Thanks,

Darin.


****************************************************
Darin Ritchie		E-mail: ritchid@sx.com
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Hi,

I was watching Richard and Judy today (yeah, I know :) and saw their website
address.
http://www.itv.thismorning.co.uk is what it said. The point is, is it possible
to have a subdomain after the main domain (like above) or have ITV just
registered www.thismorning.co.uk and added an itv subdomain? If so, what's the
point? :)

Neil

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Hi Everybody,

   Well, for once on this list, the subject line says all :)


Basically, after getting my new harddrive, I had enough space to install =
the Linux APUS (and I can safely say it was a complete pain in the a%%).

   After folowing the instructions on http://users.iol.it/marco.dvv but u=
sing the files on AFCD, I now have X Windows installed.

The problem is, I can't run it:

I type startx and it starts printing stuff in the lunix- dos prompt, but =
then says something along the lines of:

   Using screenmode database from config file.


   Fatal server error:
      No valied modes available.


I tried changing it to work with NTSC (15khz,60hz etc) but I still wouldn=
't work.


   So, I don't suppose anyone who uses PPC linux with NTSC-laced could pl=
ease send me whichever config file (I presume it's XF68Config) I'd be rea=
lly greatful :)

See ya :)
-- =

       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
          http://mantasoft.aio.co.uk/       ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
"Bother," said Pooh, as he pushed the little red button.

patrice champarou wrote
> The 68k Redhat version I'm going to send to Maarten requires at least
8 Mo, FPU and MMU. It's a minimum... and I'm not sure it works ( but
he'll certainly let us know )
>

I have a 030 (going 040) fpu and 16Meg. So that should be enough.
I'll inform the list of my progress as soon as I start.

Maarten  

> > The 68k Redhat version I'm going to send to Maarten requires at least
> 8 Mo, FPU and MMU. It's a minimum... and I'm not sure it works ( but
> he'll certainly let us know )
> >
>
> I have a 030 (going 040) fpu and 16Meg. So that should be enough.
> I'll inform the list of my progress as soon as I start.

Is it just me or are loads of people running Linux on their machines nowadays?
:)

Neil

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:
> I was watching Richard and Judy today (yeah, I know :) and saw their
> website

  I miss being a student.

> http://www.itv.thismorning.co.uk is what it said. The point is, is it
> possible to have a subdomain after the main domain (like above) or have
> ITV just registered www.thismorning.co.uk and added an itv subdomain? If
> so, what's the point? :) 

  I'd say they were just being pointless.  It this case thismorning.co.uk
is the main domain.  So it's not possible to swap them around, otherwise
you'd be able to tread on alot of peoples toes. ;)  (Unless you own both
itv.co.uk and thismorning.co.uk, of course)  They both resolve to the same
IP too (alough this doesn't mean that they have the same behaviour, this
is decided by the server). 



bye,
  Chris

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Hi there

> I'm thinking about using my amiga for linux, does anyone know a good
> place to get it and if I can keep my original amiga setup but run linux
> if i want to.
 
you can get Linux from:
#http://ftp.unina.it/pub/#

also they have NetBsd linux PPC redhat and soiux. (plus loads of other
stuff)
as for the system specs Red Hat need about 500+ meg hard disk space MMU FPU
and 16+ meg of RAM

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Hello Alan

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:
> errm , well it depends how its done.
That's exactly what I meant: look out for marketing fools who might be
hanging around.
> now, Linux m68k and APUS can be run on the Amiga hardware...in fact many
> people use it!! and to have maybe 80Mb of files on a 650Mb disk isnt
> asking too much...and would save a lot of time.
Quite agree... as long as Linux files are safely kept in their drawer in
what basically remains an Amiga CD.
> well, theres been far more offtopic stuff than articles on an OS that
> you can run on your Amiga!
Fine, hope everyone sticks to that rule : "OS you can run on your Amiga",
but...once again, be veeery careful!

  Regards

  Patrice

Hello Simon

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

> /*Thank You Matthew O'Neill For Your Email Dated 17-Oct-99*/

  Glad to know he sometimes answers :-(

  Patrice

Hello Alan

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:
 =

> i was online when you answered...its not uncommon to hold
> pseudo-realtime conversations with email you know

  I can guess that, but how come your answer reached me ten minutes befor=
e my question?
  Sometimes I feel like an ugly duckling.

  Patrice=

Hello Neil

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> i was online when you answered...its not uncommon to hold
>> pseudo-realtime conversations with email you know
>> 
> specially on afb :)
 
  Except when... no, I'm not starting again, it's too painful.

  Patrice

>   I miss being a student.

:) I love it. I get Wednesdays and Thursdays off (College radio, however, is
still to do) and today I handed an assignment in at the start of the lesson
even though we had the whole lesson to do it in, and I got to go home early
(by about 1 hour 30 mins :)

> > http://www.itv.thismorning.co.uk is what it said. The point is, is it
> > possible to have a subdomain after the main domain (like above) or have
> > ITV just registered www.thismorning.co.uk and added an itv subdomain? If
> > so, what's the point? :)
>
>   I'd say they were just being pointless.  It this case thismorning.co.uk
> is the main domain.  So it's not possible to swap them around, otherwise
> you'd be able to tread on alot of peoples toes. ;)  (Unless you own both
> itv.co.uk and thismorning.co.uk, of course)  They both resolve to the same
> IP too (alough this doesn't mean that they have the same behaviour, this
> is decided by the server).

Hmmm... I think I get it. Thanks ;) Dunno why I wanted to know really.

Neil

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:
> :) I love it. I get Wednesdays and Thursdays off (College radio, however, is
> still to do) and today I handed an assignment in at the start of the lesson

  My heart bleeds.  ;)

> Hmmm... I think I get it. Thanks ;) Dunno why I wanted to know really.

  I'm glad you understood my answer.  I almost didn't when reading it
again!


bye,
  Chris

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The chic on AF130 wielding a stick to hit us poor Amigans... seems like
an amigan fantasm. I also saw some other strange things like the amiga
dealer with his cigar and fur coat in AF129. There even was an
impressive guy with a commodore tatoo on his back! 

"Amiga rulez" and "MasterNO woz ere" hey why won' t you hit me?   

masternau-@yahoo.fr wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=33042
> The chic on AF130 wielding a stick to hit us poor Amigans... seems
like
> an amigan fantasm. I also saw some other strange things like the amiga
> dealer with his cigar and fur coat in AF129. There even was an
> impressive guy with a commodore tatoo on his back! 
> 
> "Amiga rulez" and "MasterNO woz ere" hey why won' t you hit me?   
> 
I know it must seem pretty stupid to reply to one' s own letter but I
think the sexy teacher has already been on the AF cover - the AF issue
with PPaint7 for free. Am I right?

> > As long as it's a female and not Ben Vost or Richard Drummond in
drag.
(talking about the af cover
How about Richard Drummond headbanging whilst listenning to Tony Horgan
mixing some harsh techno and metal tunes and finally MR BEN VOST on the
vocals? How about MR VOST sleeping by a river but not realizing that
long teethed Amigas are approching, a herd of evil CD32s creep out of
the water...
Last a boxing match between Richard and Mike miga Tyson, the killer
Amiga...
Oh well, might stick to sexy ladies then.

MasterNO, the Amiga Evangelist

> How about Richard Drummond headbanging whilst listenning to Tony Horgan
> mixing some harsh techno and metal tunes and finally MR BEN VOST on the
> vocals? How about MR VOST sleeping by a river but not realizing that
> long teethed Amigas are approching, a herd of evil CD32s creep out of
> the water...

Not a bad idea. Lets have some sort of fantasy cover with the members of AF on
it, and a living Amiga :)

Neil

On 17-Oct-99, Dave Naylor wrote:

>> F Since she's not sexy (IMO), I don't regard having a female on the
>> cover F as a sexist act, especially since the previous cover had a
>> man dressed F up on it.
> 
> Hmmmm.  I think she is "sexy".  She portrays a certain degree of
> intelligence combined with sexual awareness.  Sexy ~= beauty.  I
> reckon she has both.
> 
> Of course none of this means anything.  I'd have bought the mag
> even if it had a tractor on the cover.

Brum, brum! ;)

Regards

On 18-Oct-99, fd700990@ntu.ac.uk wrote:

>> On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Ken Walsh wrote:
>> 
>>>> i was going to say - get a cable between them and with suitable
> s/w you
>> > > can run a network between them so you access a drive on the other
>> > > machine as if its local
>>> 
>>> Is this best with a Par' cable
>> 
>> a PLIP link would be faster than SLIP
>>  
>> alan
>> 
> 
> 
> Get a life Ken.  I think that you should attatch your cable to your
> television set pick it up. turn it halfway and shove it up your arse
> by the way amiga's died a very long time ago this is a pointless
> website and i dont even know why i am looking at it

Because you decided to find out what life was like outside of Bill Gates
arse. ;)
 
Regards

On 18-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> Welcome back - how was the "Land Of The Rising Sun"?
> 
> Groovy. Slideshow to follow... just put sixty quid's worth of
> developing into Boots...

So how are you? Didn't grow any extra limbs while you were there? ;)

Regards

Hello M.

On 18-Oct-99, you wrote:
 
>> Maybe it was a fluke and I just got it just before it went 
>> down. Although I can still get to it now (using IE3). I'm
>> at college, so it can't be only accesible to other FNN
>> dialup users if that's what you meant :)
> 
> Must be a shitty DNS problem then. That`s what you get for
> using `free` services :)
> 
> With regards to the FNN users thing, maybe they're psychic?

Speaking of DNS. BT Internet for some reason had problems accessing
http://www.unmetered.org/ the home of CUT yet users reported no
problems with any other site, even ones on the same server.

Coinsidence? ;)

Regards

Hi Neil
Somewhere around 18-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about 

>> I don't give an arse where the money gets divided, you're paying more
>> than me. If wirenet offer a free trial I migt give it a go, well Neil?

> You want a free subscription *and* free calls?

Not what I asked, but if you're offering!! :)

> Sorry, but I want to eat.

noooo, you don't, you just /think/ you want to eat. It's all in the mind

Mash - not hungry
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                               Matthew O'Neill

Don't say to a cop, Drunk? I've only beered 2 hads.

Hi Ben
Somewhere around 18-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about 

> Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch
> up on the last two weeks...

print them out and read them in bed. Your yellow glow will light them up :)

Mash - 
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"I have a bad feeling about this.."--All of the Star Wars characters.

Hello masternaud@yahoo.fr

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

> I know it must seem pretty stupid to reply to one' s own letter

  Quite agree! I wanted to be this first one to do that... pity you stole=

the idea <:-)

> I think the sexy teacher has already been on the AF cover - the AF issu=
e
> with PPaint7 for free. Am I right?

  Well, I don't know about that issue,  but I wanted to tell the honorabl=
e member
who'd been asking for "a blonde next time" that he could find one in AF 9=
1
( December 1996 ), carrying shopping bags on 5 or 6 pages!

  Patrice

P.S. Ahem! just seen you're email... where did you say you were from?=

Hi M.
Somewhere around 18-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about 

>> Jeeezus, why can no-one on this list take anything with a 
>> pinch of salt? why must you all take every word literally!!??

> Because you're being an obnoxious git?

I'm not obnoxious, you're just lying

>> He's the head of computer systems at Whitbread, so you can 
>> just shut your own face right now, twat.

> Hmm, nice. And has he seen and/or administered Windows 2000 running
> in a production environment then?

now I know this may be a new concept to you, but read the mail, look here
where it says  "/He's the head of computer systems at Whitbread/" that
means he is the head of computer systems at Whitbread, do you see now?, the
words are there because they mean something. What do you think they do at
Whitbread, test the strength of rubber bands?

> I showed this post to my brother and he laughed at you :)

Another Sealey, well thats certainly holding a lot of credibility

>> You and Fool are the 2 most stick up arses I've ever seen on a mailing
>> list.

> Thankyou, I try my best :)

Sorry, scrub fool, he's shown that he can be civilized

> Err... they froze the feature set like 2 months ago.

And I sent this mail almost a month ago

> by, there are many subtle grades..

*M$:*
Alpha
beta
really crappy and buggy
crap and buggy
final release
buggy
service packs (read: bug fixes) 1 - 12
unstable
service packs 13 - 21
almost useable
windows 2002

> Yeah, in magazines and in news forums, and on a few insignificant
> machines up your brother's arse.

wooo, nice and mature here aren't we? as mature as a processed cheese slice.
I've seen it going belly up first hand, many times

> Because if they don't then Linux and NetBSD will become dominant server
> operating systems and Microsoft will lose a lot of money?

/me looks at the number of people switching to Linux......

Mash - not going near M$
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On 18-Oct-99, Neil Bullock wrote:

> How could you ever unsubscribe from the mighty Afb? :) At least it doesn't
> use DAMN Onelist like some other groups... I couldn't do without my daily
> dose of afb'ism :)

"/You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.../"

Mash - Quoting the Eagles Hotel California
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                               Matthew O'Neill

Buy a 486-33 you can reboot faster..

On 18-Oct-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> whats next? CDFS timeout, printer timeout???

My printer times out all the time, only when I don't have it switched on
though :)

Mash - Makeing a film sequel, DotMatrix
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                               Matthew O'Neill

Tankers DO IT but leave tracks.

Hello Simon

On 19-Oct-99, Simon Jenkins wrote:
> Having just re-read the review in AF128, it mentions that VMC expect you
> to set up the device via a mountlist or by "tacking parameters onto the
> device name when you open it". Would I be right in thinking that the later
> is simpy to click once on the icon in the Devs/DOSDrivers drawer, use the
> "info" function and set the serial and parallel prefs that way?

> I'd apreciate it if anyone on the list that has one of these cards if they
> could help. If I remember correctly, don't you have one Mr Jon Barker? :-)

    What are you trying to do Simon?  I just told Miami what serial device
to use and got on line.  I've two dosdrivers in devs:dosdrivers, they are
HC3ZSER00 and HC3ZSER01 for my ZorroII Hypercom.  There is also
hyperCOM30Z.device, hyperCOM31Z.device and hyperPAR.device in devs:

    the scripts are:

/* Zorro II HyperCOM3 Z port-handler example mount entry for serial port*/

EHandler        = L:port-handler
Stacksize       = 1024
Priority        = 5
Device          = hyperCOM30Z.device
Unit            = 0
Baud            = 115200
Control         = "8N1"
Flags           = 0

and

/* Zorro II HyperCOM3 Z port-handler example mount entry for serial port*/

EHandler        = L:port-handler
Stacksize       = 1024
Priority        = 5
Device          = hyperCOM30Z.device
Unit            = 1
Baud            = 115200
Control         = "8N1"
Flags           = 0

    I also installed the new porthandler in the goodies dir, it works like a
charm.  I'm sure the two DOS drivers are installed automatically with the
install script, I can't remember.

Cheers
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Hi amipal@yahoo.com <amipal@yahoo.com>,

On the 19-Oct-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: Voyager 3 if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> It just kept asking for it... It wouldn't stop... The CD wasn't in the
> drive, and never has been for the past week. Rebooting wouldn't solve
> it, so I did the only thing I could thinnk of; I assigned it

A long shot, but maybe something is assigning it on boot up that you can't see?
I know that when I used to use ImageFX 1.5 without a startp-sequence, then it
added its path to the ENVARC:Amigaguide/Path file and consequently whenver I
viewd an AmigagUide document it asked me for ImageFX:

Maybe Voyager/AFCD45 has done something similar?

Cya d00d
GazChap.
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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:15:29 -0700,  (amipal@yahoo.com) wrote:

> > /me still in a convulsing heap on the floor at the thought of
> > being able to play Homeworld on a PC anyway :)
> 
> Well, it is pretty damn special, I can tell you! Just watching wave
> after wave of your interceptors going in for the kill...BOOM!

Is this like sending wave after wave of your own men at the rampaging
kill-bots?

Kev

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Hi,

Anyone know how to be able to run CGI scripts using the <IMG> tag? Or is there
another tag to do it?

Thanks
Neil

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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:18:52 +0000 (GMT), Chris Andrews (ca@fortunecity.com) wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:
> > :) I love it. I get Wednesdays and Thursdays off (College radio, however, is
> > still to do) and today I handed an assignment in at the start of the lesson
> 
>   My heart bleeds.  ;)

I'm currently "unassigned" in my well paid job, so I get Monday's,
Wednesdays and Fridays "off"  :-)

And I still get paid.  And the company car.  And I'm leaving now before I
get beaten up!


Kev, driving off quickly ....

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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:
> Anyone know how to be able to run CGI scripts using the <IMG> tag? Or
> is there another tag to do it?

  Nope, just call the CGI as you would a file.  The browser doesn't know
the difference.  This is how counters and the like work.


bye,
  Chris

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> > Anyone know how to be able to run CGI scripts using the <IMG> tag? Or
> > is there another tag to do it?
>
>   Nope, just call the CGI as you would a file.  The browser doesn't know
> the difference.  This is how counters and the like work.

That's what I'm trying to do. But it doesn't work for some reason. Is there
something special that needs to be in the script?

Neil

Hi Everybody,

I'm interested in knowing if anyone out there have,
> use or know of VR-gloves, motion trackers and glasses
> headsets that work with the Amiga?..

   Escom brough out some VR-glasses, I think only Gloom ever supported them.

'i-glasses' weren't they called?

See ya :)
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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:
> That's what I'm trying to do. But it doesn't work for some reason. Is there
> something special that needs to be in the script?

  Well, is it in an area that can execute CGIs?  I imagine so.  Make sure
that it is returning the right MIME type in the headers too.  Is it one
that you wrote/are maintaining, if so, you can send it to me and I'll have
a look for you.  Don't worry, I'm a professional ;) 


bye,
  Chris

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>    Escom brough out some VR-glasses, I think only Gloom ever supported them.
>
> 'i-glasses' weren't they called?

Thems the ones. Anyone have any? I saw some on sale (in Escom I think, or
perhaps it was 1st Comp Centre...). Either way, they were damn expensive.

Neil

Hi

On 18-Oct-99 15:35:51, Kevin Fairhurst (redvers@bigfoot.com) wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:57:08 +0100,  (MARRISR@uk.ibm.com) wrote:
>>
>> Folks
>> For anyone interested in *big* hard drives - take a look at:
>> http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/991015.htm
>> I can't help being proud of my department!!

> Sorry, for a minute there I thought it said 73.4Gb ...   ;-)

> Kev

> PS  So, how long would it take to fill a 73Gb drive with afb posts?

My archives seem to be averaging at about 15-20MB/month for AFB.

74752/20 = 3737.6 months = 311.466667 years. ~1550 years with compression.

Umm, I want one. Now.

Regards

Tom
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Hi

On 18-Oct-99 20:36:51, Mr Sinister (black@kill.capatilism.now) wrote:

> Maybe someone ought to send him a copy of internot exploiter, or
> nuscrape (whichever is bigger) for a platform which he/she/it is not
> using?

Fine, so long as you realise it'll prolly only take him about 10 seconds to
download ;)

Unless, of course, you wanna send it to him in 5000 4k chunks... (err, bad
idea, btw... in case you didn't realise ;)

Regards

Tom
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Hi

On 18-Oct-99 11:04:09, Ben Vost (ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk) wrote:

> Just thought you'd all like to know that I'm desperately trying to catch
> up on the last two weeks...

Heh, didn't know you'd left... not payed much (read: any) attention to it
recently... I have 6000 unread messages in my AFB conference dating back to
27-Aug-99, heh.

Regards

Tom
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Hi

On 18-Oct-99 12:58:05, Sealey, M. (mws2@leicester.ac.uk) wrote:

> I just have the 0800 in my Miami dial list, and move it up and down
> on weekends or weekdays as appropriate. No hassles really, although
> having two dialup whatsits with the more advanced stacks might be
> useful anyway..

With Clara and BTi I just have a lame little script that swaps the configs
when it's a weekend (this script also creates an enforcer hit... quite an
achivement ;)

Regards

Tom
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No beer, wine, or liquor will ever touch my lips...I use a straw.

Hi

On 16-Oct-99 12:29:21, Tim Seifert (tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au) wrote:

> I made a link to a directory, but can't remember which is the link, and
> which was the original directory.  Is there any way to tell?  And can
> the link be safely removed without losing the contents (including if I
> pick the wrong one)?

No. You can delete the link safely, but if you delete the real directory the
link and directory are both removed (although recreating the directory also
recreates the link, heh)

Use ls (GG, AmiTCP, wherever), it will tell you which is a link, and you can
probably guess from the datestamps anyway. Then DeleteLink (or just plain
delete) the link. Note that DeleteLink doesn't only work on links, it'll
delete anything.

18.MoreWork:test> list
real                         Dir ----rwed Today     16:25:46
unreal                       Dir ----rwed Today     16:25:50
2 directories - 4 blocks used
18.MoreWork:test> ls -l
total 1
drwxrwxrwx  1       -2        0 Oct 19 16:25 real
lrwxrwxrwx  1       -2        0 Oct 19 16:25 unreal -> real

Regards

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Hi

On 18-Oct-99 14:32:19, Sealey, M. (mws2@leicester.ac.uk) wrote:

>> they offer free calls and then put obscene limits like this onto it??

> They aren't obscene limits. The 20 minute activity thing is
> a standard ISP thing, some ISP's even do that AND they charge
> you for calls! Besides, setting Miami to do an ICMP Ping every
> 15 minutes solves that.

Dunno if they count pings as activity... just sit on IRC ;)

> I have yet to be disconnected after 2 hours, or at least I have
> been once (in many many-hour sessions) and that may have been
> my dodgy line (it did it with Freeserve on and off, BT have told
> me that my local exchange sucks)

BTi's 2 hour timeout rarely works... it seems to in the middle of the day
and then stop working, leaving you on until 8am monday :)

Now I just needs some HD space and a LAN so I can get down to some SERIOUS
downloading ;)

> And the 200 hours thing is no big deal either. So you only get to
> connect for 4 hours every weekend - just cut down slightly :) 

Pretty lame if it's going to be like that for the full 0800 and not just the
trial - I get 224 free hours online every MONTH with BTi (although granted,
half this time I'm asleep ;). Clara also allow you to be on for 48 hours
over the weekend with only a timeout to worry about.

Oh, and I just signed up with ClaraNet's Freetime 80, so I'll get 304 hours
online a month, heh. Not including Uni, either.... erm... spot the addict
<vbg>

> If you imagine that you'll not be on the internet every weekend,
> especially as some of those will be when you are abroad, or in
> hospital or something..

Now now, no need for threats ;)

> And 200 hours of free calls pays for TWO WHOLE YEARLY SUBS to
> U-Net anyway. I think that's quite good :)

Screw that, I want 720 hours a month online free... and 100mbit's of
bandwidth <g>

> They certainly aren't absurd limits, in fact they are fully
> justified given that you are probably guaranteed to connect
> every time, have access to all the services, and have BLOODY
> FAST access to those services at the same time. Try THAT with
> Freenetnames (www.thewibble.co.uk is down I see :) or
> Freeserve..
 
I just hope this doesn't attract as many script kiddies to U-Net as BTi
seems to have done :(

Observe:

[Duplicate attempts removed]
16.10.99 12:47:57 Access from host 195.171.245.244 to port tcp/21 allowed.
16.10.99 12:47:57 Access from host 195.171.245.244 to port tcp/23 allowed.
16.10.99 12:47:57 Access from host 195.171.245.244 to port tcp/25 allowed.
[... 120 (!) other accesses to various service ports ...]
16.10.99 13:10:51 Access from host 212.140.101.43 to port tcp/1243 allowed.
16.10.99 13:46:21 Access from host 62.6.14.234 to port tcp/1243 allowed.
16.10.99 16:25:11 Access from host 195.99.48.160 to port tcp/54320 allowed.
16.10.99 16:47:03 Access from host 195.99.48.160 to port tcp/54322 allowed.
16.10.99 16:47:27 Access from host 195.99.53.185 to port tcp/1243 allowed.
16.10.99 18:08:06 Access from host 200.248.27.166 to port tcp/31337 allowed.
16.10.99 18:08:07 Access from host 200.248.27.166 to port tcp/12345 rejected
16.10.99 18:17:42 Access from host 203.251.124.1 to port tcp/23 allowed.
[... 11 other service ports ...]
16.10.99 20:27:12 Access from host 62.6.23.243 to port tcp/54322 allowed.

On average I got about 8 attempts from each IP on each port shown above.
Unbelievable that they allow it :/

BTi's routing is also a pile of crap. Traceroute's show a set of 3 packets
generally go 3 different routes though BT.

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Hi

On 15-Oct-99 17:21:24, Neil Bullock (i03427@trogsoft.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:

> I created a really complex (for me, anyhow) AmigaDOS script
> last week, it's even got a nice progress bar :)

Progress bar? How did you manage that in AmigaDOS?

> Neil - off to start again in the Arexx tutorial...

Regards

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Hi

On 15-Oct-99 14:41:15, amipal (amipal@yahoo.com) wrote:

> Simply, it doesn't work. The thing I most want it to work with
> (Cinema4D) crashes when it is in use. I have an 040/PPC, and everything
> works fine.  It seems as though it's the only proggy it messes about
> with... I'd get Oxypatcher if I could find it anywhere.

CyberPatcher doesn't work on '040's... or it didn't last time I looked.
Anything in it's history file to say it's been fixed ?

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Hi

On 18-Oct-99 13:01:18, MARRISR (MARRISR@uk.ibm.com) wrote:

>> 3) If I cant use a site, i email the web people responsible. quite a
>> few of them have responded..and several have created the 'low-tech'
>> versions in response

> So because some countriess have an under developed road system (sorry to
> keep comparing to cars) we should all stop using our cars?

No, because some people prefer to use a bicycle over a juggernaught
provision should be made for them.

I browse with images and sounds off, with Java disabled, whatever browser I
use, because
  a) most sites which need all that crap aren't worth using
  b) I want to get to the info I want to read as quickly as possible
  c) these are responsible for an awful lot of crashes, and eat memory/CPU

I don't care how much it makes a site look "good", if it's going to take 5
minutes to display and doesn't have a low bandwidth version then I'm not
going to visit it.

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Hi

On 19-Oct-99 16:15:11, Alan L.M. Buxey (kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote:

> ..maybe we'll see VFlash plugin working for IBrowse before too long
> though....and that plugin is quite bugged (its ported from the Linux
> hacking)

A Flash plugin's been ready for iB for ages... but the author is having
problems (such as not having a phone line)...

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Hi

On 19-Oct-99 13:20:11, Sealey, M. (mws2@leicester.ac.uk) wrote:

>> I'm considering a permanent change of ISP (to Wirenet), the 
>> only thing that's holding me back atm is that I will lose
>> the static IP address that I've got through Demon.

Clara generally provide dynamic IP's but will give you a static one if you
ask nicely. I would imagine U-Net would too.

>> So, are there actually any significant advantages in having a 
>> static IP address?
[.]
> That's about it, apart from the obvious pingability factor
> (so people know you're online - for instance I'm pinging
> you now, and you're replying so I can safely say that you're
> online ;)

This is also a bad factor... if anyone takes a disliking to you, they always
have your IP and can flood/nuke and generally make life hard for you.

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Hi

On 19-Oct-99 11:05:23, s-c.tennant1 (s-c.tennant1@tees.ac.uk) wrote:

> I am looking into learning HTML for my course at Uni.

Heh, I have a 2 off "Teach yourself HTML in 24 Hours" voucher for Teesside
Uni's Waterstones here if you want it ;)

> I was looking at books in Waterstones that help learn people how to do
> this.
> However they all refer to HTML as HTML 4. 
> Is there a diffrence between the two or is HTML 4 designed for the PC
> only. 

HTML4 is just the latest version of HTML. It is supported by all known text
editors and most important stuff is supported in the latest Amiga browsers.

Regards

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Hi

On 19-Oct-99 12:20:42, Sealey, M. (mws2@leicester.ac.uk) wrote:

>> some one mind suggesting a easy to use umap 4 e-mail client

> You mean IMAP.

> Outlook2000, Eudora, Mulberry. Unfortunatly they aren't on
> the Amiga so you'll have to use Pine.

No.

fetchmail-bin.lha  dev/gg      76K  73+Mail retrieval and forwarding utility. V
fetchmail-src.lha  dev/gg     285K  73+Mail retrieval and forwarding utility. V

fetchmail --help shows:
  -p, --protocol    specify pop2, pop3, imap, apop, rpop, kpop, etrn

The only disadvantage is you will have to run an SMTPd and pop3d (unless you
want to just import the mailspool) locally.

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Hi

On 12-Oct-99 13:11:26, dark.lords (dark.lords@deathsdoor.com) wrote:

> I've just been getting into Amirc.

> In Mirc there is a remotes section, which lets u setup autovoice.
> To achieve the auto voice in Mirc this code is put into the remotes
> section :

> on *:join:#: /mode # +v $nick

> How can i achieve this with Amirc ?

If you just want to voice everyone on any channel, add this to Events->Join
(i.e. save to file and add "Voice.rexx %p" to the string gadget):

<tsb>
/*
*/
parse arg .':'nick'!'userhost' JOIN :'chan
'say /mode +v 'nick
<tsb>

If you want to voice on a few userhosts, and only certain channels:

<tsb>
/*
*/
lusers='*!luser@*.btinternet.com *!gimp@*.pol.co.uk'
chans='#conference1 #conference2'
parse arg .':'nick'!'userhost' JOIN :'chan
if find(chans,chan)==0 then exit
do i=1 to words(lusers)
   'MATCHUSERHOST 'userhost' 'word(lusers,i)
   if rc==1 then
   do
      'say /mode +v 'nick
      exit
   end
end
<tsb>

Scripts like K and DwarfX (I strongly advise you avoid the latter, really)
can probably also do this.

Regards

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Hi

On 13-Oct-99 18:13:52, Alkis Tsapanidis (dial@otenet.gr) wrote:

>     What about starting a POLL about our HD partitions'
> names

Screw partition names, how about computer names? :)

Amiga - 'Bastard'
P200  - 'Git'
486   - Not quite decided, 'Link', probably, as it's gonna be a gateway -
hence, my link to the world... 'Tosser' might be a good name... it's
something I can shout at it if it pisses me off, and it'll toss my packets
onto the 'net ;)

Oh.. and to keep on topic and boring;

Unit      Size    Used    Free Full Errs   Status   Name
FTP:        1K       1       0 101%   0  Read/Write FTPMount
ENV:       53K      49       4  92%   0  Read/Write Env
RAM:       16K      16       0 100%   0  Read/Write RamDisk
DH0:       50M  102437     377 100%   0  Read/Write Workbench
DF0:      No disk present
DF1:      No disk present
DH1:      200M  407066    3188  99%   0  Read/Write Games
DH2:      559M 1140818    5276 100%   0  Read/Write Apps
DH3:      503M  846947  184045  82%   0  Read/Write Smart
DH4:     1003M 1962305   92123  96%   0  Read/Write MoreWork
DH5:      938M 1880055   41128  98%   0  Read/Write MoreApps

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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:
> Yeah, that is what I wanted. Shame it can't be done. Damn :) Looks like I'll
> have to go for the backup plan then....

  [Back to the list (honestly!) in case someone has a better suggestion]

  You could do an IFRAME, but only IE and AWeb support that.  You could
stick to traditional frames?  It's annoying though.  There's loads of
times I've wanted to do a sort of HTML include thing. 

  You could try a JAVASCRIPT SRC= type thing.  Then you'd have to modify
the script to output javascript code that outputs the HTML :)  I've done
this in the past.  In fact I once wrote something in perl that outputted
javascript that outputted some HTML, within this HTML was some javascript
that generated some more HTML.

  That didn't effect my sanity at all ;)


bye,
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> Heh, didn't know you'd left... not payed much (read: any) attention to it
> recently... I have 6000 unread messages in my AFB conference dating back to
> 27-Aug-99, heh.

Hence the new title of 'AFB Spammer of the month' with immediate effect? :)) I
thought it was only Mr O'Neill who specialised in thousands of messages in a
row :)
Guess I was wrong :))

Neil

> 
> Progress bar? How did you manage that in AmigaDOS?
> 

Lots of

Echo "*[e43m  *e[0m" NOLINE

statements :)

Neil

>   You could do an IFRAME, but only IE and AWeb support that.  You could
> stick to traditional frames?  It's annoying though.  There's loads of
> times I've wanted to do a sort of HTML include thing.

Oh, we're back here... right. Didn't Matt S. say iBrowse 2 has HTML 4.0
support, which should include <IFRAME> shouldn't it? :)

>   You could try a JAVASCRIPT SRC= type thing.  Then you'd have to modify
> the script to output javascript code that outputs the HTML :)  I've done
> this in the past.  In fact I once wrote something in perl that outputted
> javascript that outputted some HTML, within this HTML was some javascript
> that generated some more HTML.

Er... great :)

>   That didn't effect my sanity at all ;)

And I get confused making normal CGI's to output HTML :) I wrote all of that
script I sent you (9 and a bit K) myself (with a small bit leeched from
somewhere that said it was freely usable by anyone). Just need to figure out
how to 'prepend' to a file using Perl and I'm set :)

Neil

Neil

amimjf said, 

>> HTML 4 is the current version of the page description language. All
> current
>> Amiga browsers support it.

> Ough if only that were true, unfortunatly neither Voyager pre4, IB2.1
> or Aweb3.2 (3.3 ?), support the FULL html4.0 spec, they just support a
> large proportion of it. (about the same size as 3.2 is in 4.0). CSS
> dont work (but then it doesnt really on IE either).

CSS isn't strictly speaking part of HTML 4 (at least, that's Olli's
excuse for not supporting it :) Certainly AWeb supports just about
everything else in HTML4. CSS is a *lot* of work to implement properly,
too much for the sort of return it would give the author.


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Matthew O'Neill said, 

> Hi Neil

>> This is already available over Digital TV, with no telephone costs for
>> either party.

> How does the skybox send the request for the film?

Who mentioned Sky? The request goes up the same cable that the film
comes down :)


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Matthew O'Neill said, 

> they are limited in different ways. awebSE will be limited most likely in
> the number of connections and windows it can have open,

That's right.

> and maybe not have javascript.

It does have JavaScript.


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Matthew O'Neill said, 

> Hi Neil

>>> I don't give an arse where the money gets divided, you're paying more
>>> than me. If wirenet offer a free trial I migt give it a go, well Neil?

>> You want a free subscription *and* free calls?

> Not what I asked, but if you're offering!! :)

So you want a free sub but not the free calls? In that case, try
freeswerve...

>> Sorry, but I want to eat.

> noooo, you don't, you just /think/ you want to eat. It's all in the mind

That's the problem, the mind is full but the stomach feels empty. And
the family want feeding too.


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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:
> Oh, we're back here... right. Didn't Matt S. say iBrowse 2 has HTML 4.0
> support, which should include <IFRAME> shouldn't it? :)

  Should.  Alough it it's only in the loose DTD.

> And I get confused making normal CGI's to output HTML :) I wrote all of that
> script I sent you (9 and a bit K) myself (with a small bit leeched from
> somewhere that said it was freely usable by anyone). Just need to figure out
> how to 'prepend' to a file using Perl and I'm set :)

  Well, you've done a good job reading from a text file to get the news
items.  I can't see you having many probs, and unlike most people's Perl
code that I'm inflicted with on a daily basis, you've discovered the suble
art of the subroutine ;) 

  Good luck.


bye,
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Thomas Hurst said, 

>> And the 200 hours thing is no big deal either. So you only get to
>> connect for 4 hours every weekend - just cut down slightly :) 

> Pretty lame if it's going to be like that for the full 0800 and not just the
> trial

It's intended as a clause to be used against abuse, rather than a hard
limit to be applied to everyone.

>> They certainly aren't absurd limits, in fact they are fully
>> justified given that you are probably guaranteed to connect
>> every time, have access to all the services, and have BLOODY
>> FAST access to those services at the same time. Try THAT with
>> Freenetnames (www.thewibble.co.uk is down I see :) or
>> Freeserve..
>  
> I just hope this doesn't attract as many script kiddies to U-Net as BTi
> seems to have done :(

Sensible limits, and terms that can be used to boot off abusers should
help keep the service clean.

> BTi's routing is also a pile of crap. Traceroute's show a set of 3 packets
> generally go 3 different routes though BT.

Try doing a traceroute to their news server. It goes a dozen or so hops
and then just stops, and that's on their own network :-O


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Neil Bullock said, 

> Anyone know how to be able to run CGI scripts using the <IMG> tag? Or is
> there another tag to do it?

Just put the path to the script in the SRC attribute, assuming the
script returns image data. Is it a counter?

CGI scripts can also be called with the <A> or <FORM> tags, unless you
are using server side includes, in which case you use <!--#

> Thanks
> Neil

My pleasure :)


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Hi,

Unfortunately the script cannot be used as I wanted it to be. Using backup
plan. See other mails :) On another sort of related note, do the adverts on
Amiga.org show up for anyone? I don't see them for some reason (should
probably report it seeing as Wayne Hunt is on my ICQ contact list ;)

> CGI scripts can also be called with the <A> or <FORM> tags, unless you
> are using server side includes, in which case you use <!--#

I knew about the <A> and <FORM> methods (some of my scripts use forms to call
themselves with a different set of parameters. Check my site news page for
examples).
Call me thick, but it's just hit me what SSI stands for ;)

> > Thanks
> > Neil
> My pleasure :)

:)

Neil

Hello James Luscombe, on 19-Oct-99 13:04:24 you said about:
  [afb] Static vs. Dynamic IP number 

>Hi,

>I'm considering a permanent change of ISP (to Wirenet), the only thing that's
>holding me back atm is that I will lose the static IP address that I've got
>through Demon.

>So, are there actually any significant advantages in having a static IP
>address?

Having a dynamic IP address makes it harder for someone to hack into
your machine when you're online.

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Hey friends, 

Heard of AllAdvantage.com .. yeah money for surfing ... 
there is yet bigger one .. and believe me they pay you for 40 hours 
unlike alladvantage.com.Also you can do even when you are earning 
money with other comp( say alladvantage ) .. so when you finish 25 hrs 
from alladvantage close that and start this!! 
Sounds great ? 
So..... 
I recently started using a new browser because they said they 
would pay me for using it. It's completely legit, so I want to share
this with you. 

GoToWorld.com is a search engine that is offering a cool Web browser. 
All I have to do is use their browser which has an advertising bar on
it. 
The bar can be turned on or off, and when it's on I get paid money to
surf 
the Web (which I do any way!!). 

You really have to check this out! It's great! 

http://www.gotoworld.com/getpaid/default.asp?rid=1034138558 



You can download your copy of the browser and start making money 
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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Matthew O'Neill <mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Tuesday, 19-Oct-99, 04:19:37
 About:  [afb] Re: cd speeds 


Hello Matthew,

>> The trouble is, I seem to remember that that figure doesn't just
>> double every time the speed goes up. My 4x CD drive says it does
>> 300k/sec on it.
 
> So it could be a x8 then!? :) unless maybe they made x6 drives

There are 6 x normal spin speed CD drives.

Don't forget though, that the data rate is relative to whether you're
reading from near the edge, or the center, of the disk.  It's faster at
the edge, as more disk whizzes past the lens within one revolution.

Bye,
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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@clara.net>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Wednesday, 20-Oct-99, 02:01:23
 About:  [afb] Re: some techie questions 


Hello Thomas,

>> I made a link to a directory, but can't remember which is the link,
>> and which was the original directory. Is there any way to tell? And
>> can the link be safely removed without losing the contents (including
>> if I pick the wrong one)?
 
. ...[snip].... 

> Use ls (GG, AmiTCP, wherever), it will tell you which is a link, and
> you can probably guess from the datestamps anyway.

Mine have identical datestamps.

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  From:  Ben Vost <ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk>
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 Dated:  Wednesday, 20-Oct-99, 01:36:37
 About:  [afb] Re: RedHat 


Hello Ben,

>> by the way, Ben, can we please have some latest Amiga 68k and APUS
>> linux files on the CD each month?? look at the web link below for
>> some great files to include!!
 
> I certainly don't mind having Linux stuff on our CD, if everyone else
> is keen, but it would actually be down to Rich (our resident Eunuchs
> expert), who's not in today.

Might be an idea for your Chief Eunuch to mention the odd equivelent
program to something we like to use on AmigaOS (e.g. what a DOpus user
might use instead, and other favourite apps).

Bye,
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 Dated:  Wednesday, 20-Oct-99, 06:17:57
 About:  [afb] Re: HTML4 


Hello Neil,

> CSS isn't strictly speaking part of HTML 4 (at least, that's Olli's
> excuse for not supporting it :) Certainly AWeb supports just about
> everything else in HTML4. CSS is a *lot* of work to implement
> properly, too much for the sort of return it would give the author.

A big improvement, for those browsers that don't support it, would be to
at least blank it out of the HTML display.  Even if they don't want to
bother to write code to implement the CSS, it shouldn't be too hard for
them to write code to find the beginning and end of CSS in an HTML
page, and hide it.

CSS makes a thorough mess of some pages with that stuff splattered in
it.  Also pages that depend on CSS for their formatting exclusively,
are going to look pretty horrible without out it.

Bye,
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 Dated:  Wednesday, 20-Oct-99, 01:25:33
 About:  [afb] Re: HTML4 


Hello M.,

Ask Q to bring in 007, he's spending too much time with Miss Moneypenny.

>> Ough if only that were true, unfortunatly neither Voyager pre4, IB2.1
>> or Aweb3.2 (3.3 ?), support the FULL html4.0 spec, they just support
>> a large proportion of it. (about the same size as 3.2 is in 4.0). CSS
>> dont work (but then it doesnt really on IE either).

> Boink! AWeb 3.2 supports *ALL* of HTML 4.0, as does IBrowse 2.1, but
> V3pre4 implements a popular subset ATM (they requested that we tell
> them really obvious ommissions so that they'll implement them in
> priority order :)

So you've tried out *every* code that HTML 4.0 specifies?  ;-)

T.

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Hi,

Is it possible to turn off that annoying THX Dolby Surround Sound thing that
happens occasioanally with MagicWB installed? I use Rainboot, and if the THX
Dolby Surround Sound thing happens, Rainboot won't exit :( so I ave to reboot.

Thanx In Adv.

Cya!
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It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money.

>>> you want me to run through the feature list of Miami Deluxe and compare
>>> it to the Win32 and MacOS stacks??

>> Well you seem to think you're some sort of expert so yes.

> Methinks you don't know who Neil Bothwick is. Arguing with the owner of an
> ISP about net software isn't the brightest idea ever, I must admit.

Methinks you should check who I was replying to before being so quick to comment
(it was Alan Buxey)...

RobM

> I don't care how much it makes a site look "good", if it's going to take 5
> minutes to display and doesn't have a low bandwidth version then I'm not
> going to visit it.

Well, more often than not it'll be your loss Tom.

RobM

Hello rakesh0@hotmail.com

On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:

> I recently started using a new browser because they said they 
> would pay me for using it. It's completely legit, so I want to share
> this with you. 

  Hmm... I'm really interested. Tell me more : once I've started this, how
much will "they" pay me for each new sucker I'll recruit?

                      " So long, it's been good to know yuh!"

                                ( Woody Guthrie )

Hi Paul,

> So how are you? Didn't grow any extra limbs while you were there? ;)

No, the radiation wasn't that bad, /AND YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!/ sorry,
that was evil brain forcing my hands to write somethin /HAHAHA NO-ONE CAN
STOP ME NOW!!!/ sorry, just happe /THE BLOOD OF SATAN WILL WASH YOUR HA/
better go now...

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Hi Gaz,

> Maybe Voyager/AFCD45 has done something similar?

I can assure you all it's not AFCD45 - otherwise you'd all be complaining.

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Hi Thomas,

> Heh, didn't know you'd left... not payed much (read: any) attention to it
> recently... I have 6000 unread messages in my AFB conference dating back
> to 27-Aug-99, heh.

Nice to see you back Tom. Does this mean that Amisite will be back up?

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Hi Thomas,

> CyberPatcher doesn't work on '040's... or it didn't last time I looked.
> Anything in it's history file to say it's been fixed ?

However OxyPatcher does and you can get it from Weird Science.

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Hi Darin,

> I am having problems detecting the data partition on AF cd's.  I'm running
> A3000, ASimCDFS, Plextor 40x SCSI2 cd-rom.  I've emailed ASimware, but
> thought I'd check here too.

Do you mean that DiscChanger only sees the music part of the CD? I do have
that problem very occasionally with my Sony 24x drive at home (I wish I'd
stuck to my 8x drive - it was faster for most things), but an eject and
re-insertion usually cures the ill.

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Tom said candidly.

Hi Thomas,

> I don't care how much it makes a site look "good", if it's going to take 5
> minutes to display and doesn't have a low bandwidth version then I'm not
> going to visit it.

It seems that eGroups have been doing similar things while I've been away. I
have castigated them suitably.

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> > Maybe Voyager/AFCD45 has done something similar?
> 
> I can assure you all it's not AFCD45 - otherwise you'd all be
complaining.
> 
> All the best,
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It could be some sort of conspiracy wrought on us by Ben's evil brain

Paul

> > have NO restricitons with regards to use, but I'll doubt they have
> > such 'advanced' features such as IP-NAT  and 'Spoof as Mozilla'
> > respectively, as they are pretty much not-needed funtions. 
> 
> how is spoof as mozilla a feature?

Duh! You're a bit naive, aren't you? It's a feature because it does
something. Whereas AWeb doesn't go round masquerading as another
browser by default, the feature enables you to waddle around the 'net
pretending you use Netscape on your Amiga.

That's a FEATURE.

> I doubt they'd remove that, all it does is change a simple bit of
> text, yet make many more pages compatible

All the more reason to buy the full version then?

Go read a book of software design and marketting and get back to me :)

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> > Don't forget the built-in email client too...
> 
> IIRC at the presentation at WOA they said it was just a library, not a
> client

Check the big full-screen shot of OS3.5 on Amiga's homepage.

Well flip a coin if that isn't AmigaMail, the mail client!

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Hi masternaud@yahoo.fr,

> I know it must seem pretty stupid to reply to one' s own letter but I
> think the sexy teacher has already been on the AF cover - the AF issue
> with PPaint7 for free. Am I right?

'Fraid not. That was a different model.

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> > I think the sexy teacher has already been on the AF cover - 
> > the AF issue with PPaint7 for free. Am I right?
>  
> Well, I don't know about that issue,  but I wanted to tell 
> the honorable member

Sonkei? Arigato :)

> who'd been asking for "a blonde next time" that he could find 
> one in AF 91 ( December 1996 ), carrying shopping bags on 5 or
> 6 pages!

I have that issue, but we want MODERN sexy babes :) That issue
is 3 years old!

(Maybe the babe thing is on a 3 year cycle? Do we have to wait
until Christmas 2002 for another then?)

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Hi Neil,

>> Progress bar? How did you manage that in AmigaDOS?

> Lots of

> Echo "*[e43m  *e[0m" NOLINE

> statements :)

Yeah, look at early AFCDs with the assigns script. They have the same thing.

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> Hi,
> 
> Anyone know how to be able to run CGI scripts using the <IMG> 
> tag? Or is there another tag to do it?

<IMG SRC="/cgi-bin/mycgiimage.pl?args" ALT="imageness">

All you have to do is stream this our from your script:

Content-Type: image/gif
<blank line>
<the image data you want to load>

See?

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> Hi,
> 
> Is it possible to turn off that annoying THX Dolby Surround 
> Sound thing that happens occasioanally with MagicWB installed?
> I use Rainboot, and if the THX Dolby Surround Sound thing
> happens, Rainboot won't exit :( so I ave to reboot.

15.Workbench:> C:Delete S:mti.data FORCE

Either that or don't use that shitty daemon thingy, 'cos it's
a hack and it fecks your system up.

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Tim Seifert said, 

> Hello Neil,

>> CSS isn't strictly speaking part of HTML 4 (at least, that's Olli's
>> excuse for not supporting it :) Certainly AWeb supports just about
>> everything else in HTML4. CSS is a *lot* of work to implement
>> properly, too much for the sort of return it would give the author.

> A big improvement, for those browsers that don't support it, would be to
> at least blank it out of the HTML display.  Even if they don't want to
> bother to write code to implement the CSS, it shouldn't be too hard for
> them to write code to find the beginning and end of CSS in an HTML
> page, and hide it.

HTML is already designed to handle backward compatibility, if only
people wrote it properly. Expecting the browser authors to do this is
wrong, what happens if you are unable to update the version of the
browser you are using?

> CSS makes a thorough mess of some pages with that stuff splattered in
> it.

Correctly written CSS won't do this, anymore than correctly written
JavaScript does it on a non-JS browser.

> Also pages that depend on CSS for their formatting exclusively,
> are going to look pretty horrible without out it.

Another example of people only writing HTML for specific versions of
specific browsers. There's a site I need to visit regularly, almost
daily, that does this. The navigation bar shows as dark blue text on a
darker blue background, the only way to read the links is to click on
them :(


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> Don't forget though, that the data rate is relative to whether you're
> reading from near the edge, or the center, of the disk.  It's faster at
> the edge, as more disk whizzes past the lens within one revolution.

Not on slower drives. CDROM drives originally use CLV (Constant Linear
Velocity) meaning the data always passed the head at the same speed.
Look at a drive with a window, like a CD32, and you'll see the spin
speed changing as the head tracks in and out. This worked up to about
12X, then they switched to CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) drives, where
the spin speed is constant and data is read faster from the outer edge
of the drive. Unfortunately, CDs are written from the centre outwards,
so a high speed drive will only have a chance of reaching that speed on
a 100% full CD, and then only on the last files written to the CD.


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